Re: HOORAY FOR ASCII ART!!!!
From Colin Douthwaite <cfb...@southern.co.nz>
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· 14 Oct 1998 00:00 · View full thread
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Pete Casso <pet...@sympatico.ca> wrote: >> It is actually quite remarkable to look back and see that the >> present outbreak arose from my History article in my 5th Anniverary >> postings in September crediting Casso as creator of the Steins. >> >> He chose to take what I had written as an insult and things have >> just worsened since then. >Actually, I made a short, non-acidulous remark on the otherwise nicely written >article, Colin replied, and as every so often this too was blown out of >proportion <sigh> Why can't we just ignore each other? Why? You know very well why. You have been told why innumerable times. Because I, for one, will never ignore your deliberate and blatant falsehoods like the ones you have written above. To ignore them simply ensures, without any possible doubt, that you will continue to repeat them in the same way in the future just as you have repeatedly done in the past here. Immmediately something offends you then your "peace pact" also immediately dissolves. We've seen it all before Mr. Casso, ad nauseam. Nope, the archived records of your postings show exactly what you wrote, inclusive of your request that I correct my article on Ascii Art History by editing out what you regarded as "offending words". Do you think your public postings are not available any longer? Think again...they give the lie to what you are saying now and they are available at www.dejanews.com and in people's private archives. Here are just some of those old, relevant articles: __ Extract of my posting on 6 September 1998 __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ "" "" "" "" "" "" "" "" "" "" "" /" "|" |_| /\ |\ | |\ | "|" \ / [" |") (" /\ |") \ / _) | | | /""\ | \| | \| _|_ V |_ |"\ _) /""\ |"\ | /"\ [" /\ | "|" /\ (" /' "|" "|" _ /\ |") "|" \_/ | /""\ |_ | o /""\ _) \. _|_ _|_ /""\ |"\ | __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ "" "" "" "" "" "" "" "" "" "" "" "" "" "" "" "" "" "" "" "" "" "" cfbd98"" _ _ _ _ | |_| | (_) ___ | |_ ___ _ _ _ _ | _ | | | (_-< | _| / _ \ | '_| | || | |_| |_| |_| /__/ \__| \___/ |_| \_, | |__/ 29/8/98 __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ "" "" "" "" "" "" "" "" "" "" "" "" "" "" "" "" "" "" "" "" "" "" "" "" "" From: Colin Douthwaite <cfb...@southern.co.nz> Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art,alt.ascii-art.animation Subject: History Date: 17 Aug 1998 01:15:43 GMT Message-ID: <903...@mnementh.southern.co.nz> In several ways the last 2 years have seen some interesting developments in the history of Ascii Art and the newsgroup alt.ascii-art. Joan Stark has emerged as a very talented, and by far the most prolific Ascii Artist to date, easily surpassing the collections of Row; Targon; Susie Oviatt; Normand Veilleux and Allen Mullen. In 1998 Joan earned a prestigious award from Geocities.com for her Website on Geocities as well as many tributes and accolades from those who see and enjoy her excellent work. .{{}}}}}}. {{{{{}}}}}}}. {{{{ }}}}}}}}} Joan G Stark }}}}} _ _ {{{{{ Undisputed queen of ascii art. }}}} 6 6 {{{{ {{{{{ ^ }}}}} {{{{{{\ -=- /}}}}}} {{{{{{{;.___.;}}}}}}} {{{{{{{) (}}}}}}}' `""'"': :'"'"'` jgs `@` Then we have seen the emergence of Pete Casso with his creation of a new subgenre of "Stein Characters", second only to the well-known "Silly Cows" genre in Ascii Art, and by far outstripping the other known genres of Sheep; Owls; Koala Bears, and Luke the Spook. The two basic characters were Birdstein and Frogstein... _==_ ( "> oo. (> )> (- ) ^^ " " Birdstein Frogstein Followed by an ever growing number of other Steins: 01WW5WWW10WWWW5WWW20WWWW5WWW30WWWW5WWW40WWWW5WWW50WWWW5WWW60WWWW5WWW7072 02 02 03 The 'steins Hall of Fame 03 04 by Pete Casso 970920 04 05 05 06 . + . 06 07 \^|^/ 07 08 .oo 08 09 ( -) Frogstein, King of the Pond 09 10 " " 10 11 11 12 + 12 13 \^^/ 13 14 ( "> 14 15 (> )> Birdstein, Queen of the Sky 15 16 ^^ 16 17 17 18 (\ /) 18 19 (:\oo/:) 19 20 ( -) Pegastein, head in the clouds ... 20 21 " " 21 22 22 23 .oo 23 24 .'''' -) Sphinxstein, feet on the ground ... 24 25 (__)_)__)_) 25 26 26 27 27 28 /( 28 29 /\(oo)/\ Ghostein, a frequent visitor from Heaven 29 30 \ / 30 31 31 32 32 33 ,, 33 34 ( "> w 34 35 ,(> )>| Devilstein, a frequent visitor from Hell 35 36 ( ^^ 36 37 37 38 38 39 /( 39 40 (\( "> Roosterstein, the musician in the barnyard 40 41 `(> )> Often called PeteHovenstein by his fans 41 42 ^^ 42 43 43 44 ,, 44 45 (@@ Owlstein, the wisdom dispenser 45 46 (> )> Often called Onestein by his admirers 46 47 ^^ 47 48 48 49 ,, 49 50 ( "/ Dragonstein, who sired the Loch Ness monster 50 51 )\` 51 52 / 52 53 53 54 _==_ 54 55 ( "> 55 56 (>,)> BrusselsBoystein, who has a cute squirter 56 57 ^^ 57 58 58 59 . . 59 60 .)\ /(. 60 61 .) ,\ @.@ /, (. 61 62 .) - (,-,) - (. Draculstein, appearing as a vampire 62 63 .) '/ \` (. 63 64 .)/ \(. 64 65 ' ' 65 66 66 67 ,()) 67 68 ,( "> Mousestein, who does a great job 68 69 ( " " in scaring evil witches away 69 70 70 71WW5WWW10WWWW5WWW20WWWW5WWW30WWWW5WWW40WWWW5WWW50WWWW5WWW60WWWW5WWW7072 Note: Pete is now marking his Stein cartoon drawings as Copyright (c). [...remainder of my Anniversary posting omitted...] ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <35F...@sympatico.ca> From: Pete Casso <pet...@sympatico.ca> Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art,alt.ascii-art.animation Subject: Re: 5th Anniversary of alt.ascii-art (6) Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 21:51:47 GMT Colin Douthwaite wrote: > Then we have seen the emergence of Pete Casso with his creation of a > new subgenre of "Stein Characters", second only to the well-known > "Silly Cows" genre in Ascii Art, and by far outstripping the other > known genres of Sheep; Owls; Koala Bears, and Luke the Spook. Does the above formulation not contain disparaging words? -> The 'steins are cartoons (encompassing pics, naming, story lines) and not a subgenre of anything else. The 'steins are cartoons with their own unique style. The simplest neutral wording here, is "Pete Casso created the 'steins." -> The cow collection is generally known as such, but you compared the 'steins with the "Silly Cows" ^^^^^ Perhaps you may want to edit out the offending words. On a more fundamental note, I don't think that you can compare the 'steins which are cartoons, with the cows, etc which are basically picture collections (with perhaps with the occasional cartoon in them.) I think you need to compare apples with apples, i.e. cartoons with cartoons. You compared in the above quote apples with oranges, i.e. cartoon with picture collections, but I am nevertheless curious, what measures did you take in making your comparisons in the above quote? [...copyrighted Sig snipped...] ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cfb...@southern.co.nz (Colin Douthwaite) Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art,alt.ascii-art.animation Subject: Re: 5th Anniversary of alt.ascii-art (6) Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1998 23:57:44 GMT Message-ID: <35f...@news.southern.co.nz> On Sat, 05 Sep 1998 21:51:47 GMT, Pete Casso <pet...@sympatico.ca> wrote: >Colin Douthwaite wrote: >> Then we have seen the emergence of Pete Casso with his creation of a >> new subgenre of "Stein Characters", second only to the well-known >> "Silly Cows" genre in Ascii Art, and by far outstripping the other >> known genres of Sheep; Owls; Koala Bears, and Luke the Spook. >Does the above formulation not contain disparaging words? Not in my view but evidently in yours. >-> The 'steins are cartoons (encompassing pics, naming, story lines) > and not a subgenre of anything else. The 'steins are cartoons with > their own unique style. The simplest neutral wording here, > is "Pete Casso created the 'steins." >-> The cow collection is generally known as such, but you compared > the 'steins with the "Silly Cows" > ^^^^^ I suggest you read the Ascii Art section of "The New Hacker's Dictionary" edited by Eric Raymond. >Perhaps you may want to edit out the offending words. Not really, they were not intended or written to be offensive. >On a more fundamental note, I don't think that you can compare the >'steinswhich are cartoons, with the cows, etc which are basically >picture collections (with perhaps with the occasional cartoon in them.) >I think you need to compare apples with apples, i.e. cartoons with >cartoons. I was not aiming at comparisons but showing that other subgenres of Ascii Art characters have appeared in the past. No one seems to have mentioned them previously in historical notes about alt.ascii-art. >You compared in the above quote apples with oranges, i.e. cartoon >with picture collections, but I am nevertheless curious, what >measures did you take in making your comparisons in the above quote? See above. I was not intentionally making comparisons. I posted this article on recent ascii art history on 17th August, in advance of its inclusion in this Anniversary posting. There were one or two comments from people at that time but I think you must have missed seeing my August 17 posting...that happens with the known unreliability of Net propogation. So you failed to comment on my article at that time. However, had you done so, I would probably have answered you in a similar way. Bye, ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <35F...@sympatico.ca> From: Pete Casso <pet...@sympatico.ca> Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art,alt.ascii-art.animation Subject: Re: 5th Anniversary of alt.ascii-art (6) Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1998 14:02:11 GMT Colin Douthwaite wrote: > I was not intentionally making comparisons. But the fact is, that you did make the comparisons. You did make comparisons between two entirely different things, cartoons and picture collections. As always, comparing apples and oranges is invalid, and the best proof in this case is, that you failed to produce the measures that you have used for making the comparisons. > Not really, they were not intended or written to be offensive. The fact is, that the (invalid) comparisons were offensively written. For example, you referred to a single dictionary that happens to use the name "Silly Cows" whereas the whole world knows them simply as the "Cows" collection. You chose to use the offensive adjective for making the comparison. You made invalid comparisons that were offensively written, and then refused to at least use neutral wording. Wow! But you behave strangely irrational lately, and not just to me. In a parallel thread, you violated copyrights which is in itself a strange occurrence. Even stranger is that you then produced irrational "reasonings" ... just like here in this thread. Perhaps you should get some rabies shots ... P UncleColinstein got mad ... e / t / No wonder! Your brother e / UncleMadDogstein bit him! [...copyrighted Stein characters omitted...] ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Archivally,
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