Re: drsquare is a useless troll was Re: What does everyone reckon our chances are for the Euro 2004 qualifying?

drsquare wrote:

> On Fri, 01 Feb 2002 17:23:28 GMT, in alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian,
>  (Jonathan Ball <jon...@earthlink.NS.net>) wrote:
> 
> 
>>drsquare wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Fri, 01 Feb 2002 16:24:31 GMT, in alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian,
>>> (Jonathan Ball <jon...@mindspring.NS.com>) wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>You forgot to mention the ludicrous faked injuries 
>>>>during a match.
>>>>
>>>When they do that,
>>>
>>No; when they're *caught* doing that.
>>
> 
> That doesn't make any sense at all.
> 
> 
>>>>And that the organized sport seems to pander to violent 
>>>>drunken yobbos esp. in Great Britain, but elsewhere as 
>>>>well.
>>>>
>>>Please elaborate on how it "panders". You're not making much sense.
>>>
>>I'm making perfect sense.  You're a footy yobbo 
>>yourself, aren't you?
>>
> 
> No, you're not making any sense. I see you failed to elaborate on what you
> meant.
> 
> 
>>>>And that there is so much pointless back-and-forth; 
>>>>even an ice hockey match, with similar difficulty of 
>>>>working the object into scoring position, 
>>>>
>>>Apart from the fact that the pitch is many times smaller, so you can
>>>practically shoot at the opposition net from anywhere within the opposition
>>>half.
>>>
>>You're predictably missing the point, you excuse-making 
>>yobbo.  The "pitch" may be smaller, but they're on ICE, 
>>for chrissake.  
>>
> 
> So what? All they have to do is smack it down the pitch with those sticks
> like in golf. The only thing stopping them from scoring from the other end
> of the pitch is all that padding.

You don't know what you're talking about.  Any idiot 
can run around on a field kicking at something; even 
you can probably do it.  Let's see you even *stand* on 
ice skates, let alone take a shot at the puck without 
landing on your fat ass.

I've tried both.  I'm a reasonably okay skater, but I 
couldn't come close to controlling the puck even to 
skate with it, let alone pass it or take an accurate 
shot.  I mean, without anyone even trying to prevent me 
from it.  I can, however, run down a field kicking a 
ball, and if no one were bothering me I could put it in 
a soccer goal.

Hockey is orders of magnitude more difficult than soccer.


> 
> 
>>And they have sticks in their hands. 
>>And the players and the puck move many times faster. 
>>And the players can legally be knocked about much more 
>>than in football.  
>>
> 
> Yes, footballers tend to have to rely on skill.

As do hockey players.  Even more so.


> 
> 
>>And the goal in football is about 4 
>>times the width of a hockey goal, and twice the height.
>>
> 
> So what? The pitch is 4 times the length and width. And you can actually
> see the ball.

If you weren't drunk and/or fucked up on speed all the 
time, you could see the puck, too.


> 
> 
>>Change the pitch size and the rules of football if 
>>necessary.  
>>
> 
> It's not necessary, it's fine as it is.

It's boring and mindless as it is.


> 
> 
>>The point, which you predictably missed, is 
>>that most of a football match is just a lot of 
>>pointless back-and-forth 
>>
> 
> Clearly you have been watching Bury too much. Try watching some Premiership
> football.
> 
> 
>>that results in nil-nil.
>>
> 
> Meaning?
> 
> 
>>>>typically has 
>>>>over 20 shots on goal *per side*, with 30 or more for 
>>>>each side not uncommon.  
>>>>
>>>I thought you were just complaining about football being "back-and-forth".
>>>Make your fucking mind up.
>>>
>>I was complaining about it, doofus:  the back-and-forth 
>>that results in the team not getting off a shot.
>>
> 
> Maybe that's because the other team know how to defend.

Haw haw haw.  It's because it's *too easy* to "defend".

> In hockey, you can
> just hit it from wherever you are, no build-up necessary.

You haven't watched much hockey.


> 
> 
>>>>In some football matches I've 
>>>>watched, the goalie won't touch the ball for 10-15 
>>>>minutes at a stretch, possibly longer.
>>>>
>>>Maybe that's because footballers know how to DEFEND.
>>>
>>You pussy poofter.  NO ONE defends the way they do in 
>>hockey.
>>
> 
> If they knew how to defend, then how do they get so many shots in?

They don't get very many shots *in*.  The goalie stops 
most of them.


> 
> 
>>>There's more to the
>>>game than goals you know.
>>>
>>Yes, I do know.  There are faked injuries, boring 
>>midfield turnovers (100s), and drunken fans literally 
>>killing each other.
>>
> 
> Nice of you to completely miss the point.

I didn't miss a thing, doofus.


> 
> 
>>There's more to hockey than goals, too, and you get all 
>>of it:  passing, 
>>
> 
> Wow, you get that in football as well. But doesn't that count as "pointless
> back and forth"? Wouldn't you rather they just took it in turns to have
> shots on goal? Wouldn't passing be awfully boring?
> 
> 
>>defense, 
>>
> 
> If they defended, then the opposition wouldn't be able to get so many shots
> on goal.

You don't know what you're talking about.  The fact 
that so few shots make it past the goalie is due to a 
great extent to the defense.  The defender reduces the 
number of angles for the shooter, but he can't take 
away all of them.


> 
> 
>>blazing speed, 
>>
> 
> Not difficult when the pitch is as big as my back garden and they're on
> ice, making it incredibly irritating to try to follow.

Try laying off the Fuller's or Tennant's for a while, 
then you'll be able to focus.


> 
> 
>>and the 
>>violence tends to stay on the playing surface, not in 
>>the stands.  
>>
> 
> Same with football, except there isn't violence in either place. You must
> be thinking of football in the 70s. 

I was thinking of Heysel in the 1980s, actually.


> 
> 
>>And when the game is over, we just get in 
>>our cars and go home.  You lot start riots.
>>
> 
> Again, you must be thinking of the 70s.

Nope.


> 
> 
>>I have just two words:  Heysel Stadium.
>>
> 
> I have some more words: Living In The Past

The 1990s.  Read it and weep, you drunken yobbo.  All 
from 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sport/football/newsid_112000/112863.stm

It's mainly you Brits.  You're all a bunch of poofters 
who need the Yanks to keep you from having to learn 
German every 20 to 40 years, but for some reason you'll 
fight over football.


World Cup, June 1998

France - Police fire tear gas to control fights 
involving English and Tunisian fans, and local Arab 
youths in Marseille. There are 49 arrests, including 27 
English fans, with 30 people injured.


May 1998

Argentina - Three fans killed in a shoot out between 
gangs and police outside a stadium in Buenos Aires. 
Local championships suspended while clubs tighten 
security. Around 80 killed in football related violence 
in last five years.

Germany - Trams pelted with stones and 268 arrested 
before Cologne's relegation decider with Bayer Leverkusen.

Italy - Riot police and dogs take to the pitch and fire 
tear gas into stands when Atalanta's game with Juventus 
has to be suspended following missile throwing by home 
fans.


1997

Italy - Violence flares on terraces at Italy versus 
England World Cup qualifier in Rome. England fans blame 
heavy handed Italian police.

Russia - More than 100 arrested in Moscow after two 
clashes between fans wielding iron bars, bottles and 
clubs left scores injured.

Holland - Ajax fan beaten to death by fans of fierce 
rivals Feyenoord.


1995

Italy - A 24-year-old Genoa fan stabbed to death by a 
teenaged AC Milan supporter. Three months later two 
policemen stabbed trying to disarm a fan during 
Roma-Lazio tie.

Ireland - Friendly international between Republic of 
Ireland and England in Dublin abandoned after 27 
minutes when England fans riot.



1990s

Sweden 1992 - Violence and destruction by English 
hooligans in Malmo and Stockholm at the European 
championship finals raises doubts within Uefa about 
whether England should host the next tournament in 
1996. German fans also riot during the tournament.

Germany 1991 - fan shot dead in a fight between Leipzig 
and Berlin supporters.

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