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Original Usenet thread from rec.arts.ascii, started 12 Oct 1994.
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Info: Where to get Figlet fonts

Info: Where to get Figlet fonts

rec.arts.ascii · 20 messages · 12 Oct 1994 - 27 Oct 1994
Bob Allison <bob...@wwa.com> ASCII art 12 Oct 1994 21:25 · permalink · report
Nirgalli <tan...@ecst.csuchico.edu> wrote:
>Hi all,
>	Where can I find the complete set of figlet fonts? I checked ftp.isu.edu
>and it doesn't have arrows, barbwire, catwalk, etc which I saw from scarecrow's
>post. 

   Go to ftp.wwa.com and look in /pub/Scarecrow/Figlet/Fonts

   I just added the new 'bell' font, inspired by Joshua Bell, and the 4 
font series call 'isometric' 1 through 4.

   I think there are over 90 fonts right now.

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Brad <syb...@aber.ac.uk> ASCII art 13 Oct 1994 21:05 · permalink · report
On 12 Oct 1994, Bob Allison wrote:

>    I think there are over 90 fonts right now.

	Well, I've got 96, and I think there are one or two more out
there. And advancement? :)

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K'ung Fu Tzu <dch...@ic.sunysb.edu> ASCII art 13 Oct 1994 21:05 · permalink · report
Bob Allison (bob...@wwa.com) wrote:

: Nirgalli <tan...@ecst.csuchico.edu> wrote:
: >Hi all,
: >	Where can I find the complete set of figlet fonts? I checked ftp.isu.edu
: >and it doesn't have arrows, barbwire, catwalk, etc which I saw from scarecrow's
: >post. 

:    Go to ftp.wwa.com and look in /pub/Scarecrow/Figlet/Fonts

:    I just added the new 'bell' font, inspired by Joshua Bell, and the 4 
: font series call 'isometric' 1 through 4.

:    I think there are over 90 fonts right now.

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why is it when i d/l "figlet-unix.tar.Z",
i end up getting a file in my directory called "figlet-unix.ta" ???

i hope someone can help me with this.

BTW. is there another site with the figlet program
     without all the fonts compressed together?


     i know the /pub/Scarecrow/Font directory also has this
     program, but i d/l it (yes with binary) and it doesn't work!


     Thanks in advance!

~Dave


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Bob Allison <bob...@wwa.com> ASCII art 13 Oct 1994 21:24 · permalink · report
K'ung Fu Tzu <dch...@ic.sunysb.edu> wrote:
>
>Bob Allison (bob...@wwa.com) wrote:
>
>: Nirgalli <tan...@ecst.csuchico.edu> wrote:
>: >Hi all,
>: >	Where can I find the complete set of figlet fonts? I checked ftp.isu.edu
>: >and it doesn't have arrows, barbwire, catwalk, etc which I saw from scarecrow's
>: >post. 
>
>:    Go to ftp.wwa.com and look in /pub/Scarecrow/Figlet/Fonts
>
>:    I just added the new 'bell' font, inspired by Joshua Bell, and the 4 
>: font series call 'isometric' 1 through 4.
>
>:    I think there are over 90 fonts right now.

   The next version of Figlet should be able to decompress .flf.gz fonts, 
and keep them in memory for use.

>why is it when i d/l "figlet-unix.tar.Z",
>i end up getting a file in my directory called "figlet-unix.ta" ???
>
>i hope someone can help me with this.

   That shouldn't be like that.  Have you tried renaming it, and then 
uncompressing it and untarring it?

>BTW. is there another site with the figlet program
>     without all the fonts compressed together?

   Most Figlet sites I know carry the .tar 'starter package' with Figlet, 
instructions, and the basic fonts.

>     i know the /pub/Scarecrow/Font directory also has this
>     program, but i d/l it (yes with binary) and it doesn't work!

   The copy of Figlet in the fonts folder is there because I use that 
folder as my own Figlet folder.  Yes I could move it somewhere else, but 
I'm too lazy.

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K'ung Fu Tzu (dch...@ic.sunysb.edu) wrote:


>why is it when i d/l "figlet-unix.tar.Z",
>i end up getting a file in my directory called "figlet-unix.ta" ???
  I suspect you're unix is limiting your file length.  I know that at least
some xenix systems do this, probably other "older" unix OS as well.
  I would say the best thing to do is rename it figlet.tar.Z, which is 
under your 14 character limit....

>i hope someone can help me with this.
  Hope this does help.


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Brad <syb...@aber.ac.uk> writes:

>On 12 Oct 1994, Bob Allison wrote:

Subject was: Talk: Number of Figlet fonts

>>    I think there are over 90 fonts right now.
>
>	Well, I've got 96, and I think there are one or two more out
>there. And advancement? :)

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Anthony Thysson has suggested (in the figlet email list) that
many fonts are very similar, with most differences being a
simple traslation of one character (or pattern of characters)
with another.

For example, it's possible to get an exact reproduction of one
font by piping the output of a similar font though the unix tr
comand.  (Check "man tr" if you don't know of this command).
(And BTW, there IS a dos version of tr available at Simtel -
oak.oakland.edu :: /SimTel/msdos/textutil/tr112.zip).

So a great many fonts are redundant!

For an example of this, check out all the banner fonts - they
are nearly identical except for the translation of one character
pattern for another.

In fact, this is a GREAT idea for a future improvement to figlet
- have a "built-in" tr command (via a command-line switch and/or
use of "figlet control files") so that one character (or
pattern of characters) can be translated into another!  That
way, you immediately reduce the number of fonts (and they DO
take up a lot of disk space!!!), while at the same time
increasing the versatility and variability of the number of
possible fonts that are possible, all from a single set of
"basic" fonts!

(Sorry Glenn... yet *another* suggestion to put on your
improvements-to-figlet-list! :-)

This is one of the current problems with figlet - too many damn
fonts that take up too much damn room - a pain to choose an
appropriate font, and a pain when dealing with trying to keep
a reasonable number of fonts in an account with a limited quota
space!

There was some discussion a while ago to have "compressed font
files" to deal with the space font files took up.

This idea is a great alternative (or adjunct) to this problem.

Another point - most of the fonts I like to use are the smaller
ones. The bigger fonts, while looking nice, just tend to "scroll
off" the line and break up words!

What font authors need to do is concentrate on developing a set
of basic fonts (or reviewing the current fonts) to concentrate
on the basic style (eg straight or slanted etc) and the SIZE (ie
height and width) of the fonts.  The actual result of the font
may be relatively simple, but with imaginative use of the "tr"
command, all sorts of interesting fonts become possible.

Of course, there are several fonts that are rather unique and
wouldn't fit into the category of being "basic" (acrobatic.flf
comes immediately to mind), but the general principle holds.

My humble $0.05 worth anyhow (they don't have 1c or 2c coins here
in Australia any more:)

Cheers
Tony
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Bob Allison <bob...@wwa.com> ASCII art 15 Oct 1994 23:44 · permalink · report

   The next version of Figlet should:

   o  Use standard Figlet .flf fonts (to be backward compatible)

   o  Use standard Figlet .flf.Z and .flf.gz fonts in compressed format.

   o  Use a new system of fonts that are made up of three parts:
      -  Files containing letter shapes.
      -  Files containing fill patterns.
      -  Files containing backgrounds.

   o  Have many functions and variables controllable by the user, such as 
      replacing the characters in a fill or background file.

   o  Be able to change the variables from letter to letter.

   o  Be able to save, open, and manipulate work files.  These files 
      would contain text, info on which Figlet font or font creation 
      files were used for a particular job, user controlled variables, etc.

   o  Should be able to control everything by commands in a file that can 
      be fed to Figlet.

   o  Keeps its files in compressed format (to save disk space).

   o  Keep all uncompressed data in memory, no writing to disk.

   o  Have a version for the Mac.


   I could think of more, but then I'm not the person who has to write 
all this.  It would be a great to have, but I know how much work that 
is.  Hey, maybe the Figlet folks could get added help from volunteer 
programmers.  What do you say, Figlet folks and programmers?

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In article <37k7eh$a3...@sashimi.wwa.com>, Brad  <syb...@aber.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>On 12 Oct 1994, Bob Allison wrote:
>
>>    I think there are over 90 fonts right now.
>
>	Well, I've got 96, and I think there are one or two more out
>there. And advancement? :)

Wow... guess I'm short a few... anyhow, I'm wondering -- is there any file
that gives an example of what each font looks like?  I checked in Scarecrow's
ftp I don't think I saw one.... because that would be real useful instead of
having to download dozens of fonts only to see you don't like some...
 so if anyoneknows if such a thing exists then let me know... thanx!
									---Phil

Bob Allison <bob...@wwa.com> ASCII art 16 Oct 1994 23:02 · permalink · report
Phillip J. Perri <per...@red.seas.upenn.edu> wrote:
>
>In article <37k7eh$a3...@sashimi.wwa.com>, Brad  <syb...@aber.ac.uk> wrote:
>>
>>On 12 Oct 1994, Bob Allison wrote:
>>
>>>    I think there are over 90 fonts right now.
>>
>>	Well, I've got 96, and I think there are one or two more out
>>there. And advancement? :)
>
>Wow... guess I'm short a few... anyhow, I'm wondering -- is there any file
>that gives an example of what each font looks like?  I checked in Scarecrow's
>ftp I don't think I saw one.... because that would be real useful instead of
>having to download dozens of fonts only to see you don't like some...
> so if anyoneknows if such a thing exists then let me know... thanx!
>									---Phil

   Hmmm ... I keep a list of examples in the ASCII Art Resources file, 
and an html'ized version for ASCII Art Reference.  And sometimes I post 
it.  But I don't keep a copy in the FTP site.  I'll toss a copy in there.


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bob...@wwa.com (Bob Allison) writes:
>   The next version of Figlet should:

Note: I don't usually read this group in detail so you probably wanna
do this discussion on FIGLET-L. (I am not sure if Glenn reads this
group in detail or not.)

>   o  Use standard Figlet .flf fonts (to be backward compatible)

>   o  Use standard Figlet .flf.Z and .flf.gz fonts in compressed format.

Since Glenn isn't about to re-implement compress and gzip, probably
what will happen is that the UNIX version will use the uncompress and
gunzip available already using a call. I dunno what that'll do to non-
UNIX versions, however...

>   o  Use a new system of fonts that are made up of three parts:
>      -  Files containing letter shapes.
>      -  Files containing fill patterns.
>      -  Files containing backgrounds.

>   o  Have many functions and variables controllable by the user, such as 
>      replacing the characters in a fill or background file.

>   o  Be able to change the variables from letter to letter.

I'm not sure what you mean by this one.

>   o  Be able to save, open, and manipulate work files.  These files 
>      would contain text, info on which Figlet font or font creation 
>      files were used for a particular job, user controlled variables, etc.

>   o  Should be able to control everything by commands in a file that can 
>      be fed to Figlet.

>   o  Keeps its files in compressed format (to save disk space).

>   o  Keep all uncompressed data in memory, no writing to disk.

This would be tricky, and I'm not sure it's worth it -- after all, one
uncompressed file at a time isn't too much space.

>   o  Have a version for the Mac.

Heheh... I use a Mac at home and so does Glenn, but our reaction is
"why?" After all, Macs come with super fonts already... and if you're
using it for email, you'll have access to a unix box. But then I
thought of all those Eudora users... well, if someone wants to
implement it for the Mac, I have no objections. If someone wants me to
compile it for the Mac, I could do it, but it would look horrible as
it'll have no GUI support.

>   I could think of more, but then I'm not the person who has to write 
>all this.  It would be a great to have, but I know how much work that 
>is.  Hey, maybe the Figlet folks could get added help from volunteer 
>programmers.  What do you say, Figlet folks and programmers?

You'll have to ask Glenn that. I'm the only non-Glenn person who's ever
written any Figlet code, and that was way back in version 0.9. The
current version 2.1.1 doesn't have a scrap of my code left in it.

I suppose if some kind of decent version-control is worked out, it
might work.

God bless,
	Ian

David S. Issel <dis...@nunic.nu.edu> ASCII art 17 Oct 1994 20:24 · permalink · report
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I love this font!  Is there a complete version?

Have a great day,
Dave.
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Bob Allison <bob...@wwa.com> ASCII art 17 Oct 1994 21:23 · permalink · report
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David S. Issel <dis...@nunic.nu.edu> wrote:

>I love this font!

   Glad you liked it.  I'm working on some new effects that, if they work 
out, will be some of the best yet.

>Is there a complete version?

   No, sorry.  Like most of my sigs, that's all there is.  But if anybody 
wants to make a font of it, be my guest.

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Bob Allison <bob...@wwa.com> ASCII art 18 Oct 1994 19:16 · permalink · report
Ian Chai <spe...@uiuc.edu> wrote:
>
>bob...@wwa.com (Bob Allison) writes:
>>   The next version of Figlet should:
>
>Note: I don't usually read this group in detail so you probably wanna
>do this discussion on FIGLET-L. (I am not sure if Glenn reads this
>group in detail or not.)

   Considering the pontential of this discussion, I would assume that the 
Figlet folks would scan for this subject line.  Perhaps I'm wrong.  And 
just having this talk on the Figlet list leaves out those who are not 
current subscribers.  I will try to gate this thread between the ASCII 
art groups and the Figlet list.

>>   o  Use standard Figlet .flf fonts (to be backward compatible)
>
>>   o  Use standard Figlet .flf.Z and .flf.gz fonts in compressed format.
>
>Since Glenn isn't about to re-implement compress and gzip, probably
>what will happen is that the UNIX version will use the uncompress and
>gunzip available already using a call. I dunno what that'll do to non-
>UNIX versions, however...

   Calling an outside compression program can make sense if you want to 
actually compress a file.  But to just expand compressed files shouldn't 
be that involved.  The ability to expand both .Z and .gz should maybe add 
15 or 20 K to Figlet.

   This is just a flakey guess on my part.  HyperCard is about as far as 
I've gotten in programming.  But I think that expanding files is little 
more than grabbing a look-up takle and subbing strings for tokens.  No?

>>   o  Use a new system of fonts that are made up of three parts:
>>      -  Files containing letter shapes.
>>      -  Files containing fill patterns.
>>      -  Files containing backgrounds.
>
>>   o  Have many functions and variables controllable by the user, such as 
>>      replacing the characters in a fill or background file.
>
>>   o  Be able to change the variables from letter to letter.
>
>I'm not sure what you mean by this one.

   I mean that it would be nice to have control on a letter by letter basis.

>>   o  Be able to save, open, and manipulate work files.  These files 
>>      would contain text, info on which Figlet font or font creation 
>>      files were used for a particular job, user controlled variables, etc.
>
>>   o  Should be able to control everything by commands in a file that can 
>>      be fed to Figlet.
>
>>   o  Keeps its files in compressed format (to save disk space).
>
>>   o  Keep all uncompressed data in memory, no writing to disk.
>
>This would be tricky, and I'm not sure it's worth it -- after all, one
>uncompressed file at a time isn't too much space.

   True.  I guess I'm being anal, but it dislike small temp files.  I 
understand when a big graphics program has to keep a big vm file.  But a 
small app like Figlet should be able to keep it all in ram.

>>   o  Have a version for the Mac.
>
>Heheh... I use a Mac at home and so does Glenn, but our reaction is
>"why?" After all, Macs come with super fonts already... and if you're
>using it for email, you'll have access to a unix box. But then I
>thought of all those Eudora users... well, if someone wants to
>implement it for the Mac, I have no objections. If someone wants me to
>compile it for the Mac, I could do it, but it would look horrible as
>it'll have no GUI support.

   The reason that I ask for a Mac version is that a person doesn't 
always have access to their host computer.  So if they have a DOS machine 
at home, they can run Figlet at home and work on ASCII art without being 
online.  But if they have a Mac, they cannot.  I would go without a fancy 
Mac-like interface.  After all, I go without it now, using Figlet on my host.

>>   I could think of more, but then I'm not the person who has to write 
>>all this.  It would be a great to have, but I know how much work that 
>>is.  Hey, maybe the Figlet folks could get added help from volunteer 
>>programmers.  What do you say, Figlet folks and programmers?
>
>You'll have to ask Glenn that. I'm the only non-Glenn person who's ever
>written any Figlet code, and that was way back in version 0.9. The
>current version 2.1.1 doesn't have a scrap of my code left in it.

   So, how 'bout Glenn, old buddy, old Building & Loan pal.

>I suppose if some kind of decent version-control is worked out, it
>might work.

   Ian can volunteer to work out the version-control.  Right?

>God bless,
>	Ian

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Ian Chai <spe...@UIUC.EDU> 19 Oct 1994 17:46 · permalink · report
Bob Allison <bob...@WWA.COM> said:
>>Note: I don't usually read this group in detail so you probably wanna
>>do this discussion on FIGLET-L. (I am not sure if Glenn reads this
>>group in detail or not.)
>
>   Considering the pontential of this discussion, I would assume that the
>Figlet folks would scan for this subject line.  Perhaps I'm wrong.  And
>just having this talk on the Figlet list leaves out those who are not
>current subscribers.  I will try to gate this thread between the ASCII
>art groups and the Figlet list.

There's the question of time. Both Glenn and I are busy being grad
students and check rec.arts.ascii on a rather erratic basis.

>   Calling an outside compression program can make sense if you want to
>actually compress a file.  But to just expand compressed files shouldn't
>be that involved.  The ability to expand both .Z and .gz should maybe add
>15 or 20 K to Figlet.
>
>   This is just a flakey guess on my part.  HyperCard is about as far as
>I've gotten in programming.  But I think that expanding files is little
>more than grabbing a look-up takle and subbing strings for tokens.  No?

Doing a proper implementation of uncompress and gunzip is not trivial.
They are rather elaborate compression schemes.

>   I mean that it would be nice to have control on a letter by letter basis.

It would be tricky to do the format changing because you'd have to then
imbed control codes in the typing.
^^^^^ how *do* you spell that word?

>>This would be tricky, and I'm not sure it's worth it -- after all, one
>>uncompressed file at a time isn't too much space.
>
>   True.  I guess I'm being anal, but it dislike small temp files.  I
>understand when a big graphics program has to keep a big vm file.  But a
>small app like Figlet should be able to keep it all in ram.

Temp files are used in UNIX, Mac, and Windows all the time. As long as
you clean up properly after yourself, I don't see the problem. (Hah!
Windows and Mac programs are notorious for not cleaning up properly
after themselves! Look in your system folder sometime. The other day, I
got an ad for a $30 program that cleans up your Windows hard disk of
extra stuff for you! Imagine that! You actually need to PAY for a
program to CLEAN UP??? Figlet won't cause these problems.)

>   The reason that I ask for a Mac version is that a person doesn't
>always have access to their host computer.  So if they have a DOS machine
>at home, they can run Figlet at home and work on ASCII art without being
>online.  But if they have a Mac, they cannot.  I would go without a fancy
>Mac-like interface.  After all, I go without it now, using Figlet on my host.

Oh, ok, "when I have time" I'll go compile Figlet for the Mac. I don't
have time today, though.

>   Ian can volunteer to work out the version-control.  Right?

Nope, I'm too busy as it is.

God bless,
        Ian

Bob Allison <bob...@wwa.com> ASCII art 19 Oct 1994 18:02 · permalink · report
Ian Chai <spe...@UIUC.EDU> wrote:
>
>>>Note: I don't usually read this group in detail so you probably wanna
>>>do this discussion on FIGLET-L. (I am not sure if Glenn reads this
>>>group in detail or not.)
>>
>>   Considering the pontential of this discussion, I would assume that the
>>Figlet folks would scan for this subject line.  Perhaps I'm wrong.  And
>>just having this talk on the Figlet list leaves out those who are not
>>current subscribers.  I will try to gate this thread between the ASCII
>>art groups and the Figlet list.
>
>There's the question of time. Both Glenn and I are busy being grad
>students and check rec.arts.ascii on a rather erratic basis.

   Can't argue with you being grad students, that's obviously more 
important.

>>   Calling an outside compression program can make sense if you want to
>>actually compress a file.  But to just expand compressed files shouldn't
>>be that involved.  The ability to expand both .Z and .gz should maybe add
>>15 or 20 K to Figlet.
>>
>>   This is just a flakey guess on my part.  HyperCard is about as far as
>>I've gotten in programming.  But I think that expanding files is little
>>more than grabbing a look-up takle and subbing strings for tokens.  No?
>
>Doing a proper implementation of uncompress and gunzip is not trivial.
>They are rather elaborate compression schemes.

   I was not aware of that.

>>   I mean that it would be nice to have control on a letter by letter basis.
>
>It would be tricky to do the format changing because you'd have to then
>imbed control codes in the typing.
>^^^^^ how *do* you spell that word?

   It may not be worth it at the present.

>>>This would be tricky, and I'm not sure it's worth it -- after all, one
>>>uncompressed file at a time isn't too much space.
>>
>>   True.  I guess I'm being anal, but it dislike small temp files.  I
>>understand when a big graphics program has to keep a big vm file.  But a
>>small app like Figlet should be able to keep it all in ram.
>
>Temp files are used in UNIX, Mac, and Windows all the time. As long as
>you clean up properly after yourself, I don't see the problem. (Hah!
>Windows and Mac programs are notorious for not cleaning up properly
>after themselves! Look in your system folder sometime. The other day, I
>got an ad for a $30 program that cleans up your Windows hard disk of
>extra stuff for you! Imagine that! You actually need to PAY for a
>program to CLEAN UP??? Figlet won't cause these problems.)

   As long as it clean things up.

>>   The reason that I ask for a Mac version is that a person doesn't
>>always have access to their host computer.  So if they have a DOS machine
>>at home, they can run Figlet at home and work on ASCII art without being
>>online.  But if they have a Mac, they cannot.  I would go without a fancy
>>Mac-like interface.  After all, I go without it now, using Figlet on my host.
>
>Oh, ok, "when I have time" I'll go compile Figlet for the Mac. I don't
>have time today, though.

   Maybe somebody else could.  Volunteers?

>>   Ian can volunteer to work out the version-control.  Right?
>
>Nope, I'm too busy as it is.

   I'm sure we are all very grateful to the Figlet folks for providing us 
with the program, official site, Web page, etc.  And I imagine it's hard 
to do these things AND go to college at the same time.  It seems that 
they are in need of assistance.

   It would be good if they could find some knowledgeable person(s) who 
have some time to deal with the questions concerning Figlet that appear on 
these groups.  Again, I'm not complaining.  Just trying to help.  I 
would guess there are many Figlet users out here.

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> I love this font!

I, too.  It is particularly scary in red on a white background.  Looks
like bloody clots and runs.

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Just my opinion, but I like the name "Poison" (as opposed to "Blood
Dripping") for this figlet (piglet) font. My opinion may not count
for much, but that never stopped me from offering it in the past!
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>Ian Chai <spe...@uiuc.edu> wrote:
>>Note: I don't usually read this group in detail so you probably wanna
>>do this discussion on FIGLET-L. (I am not sure if Glenn reads this
>>group in detail or not.)

bob...@wwa.com (Bob Allison) writes:
>   Considering the pontential of this discussion, I would assume that the
>Figlet folks would scan for this subject line.  Perhaps I'm wrong.  And
>just having this talk on the Figlet list leaves out those who are not
>current subscribers.  I will try to gate this thread between the ASCII
>art groups and the Figlet list.

Well, here's an example for you: This is the first time I've had time
to read this newsgroup since a week ago...

Bob Allison <bob...@wwa.com> ASCII art 27 Oct 1994 00:21 · permalink · report
In article <38mrbj$6h...@gagme.wwa.com>, Ian Chai <spe...@uiuc.edu> wrote:
>
>>Ian Chai <spe...@uiuc.edu> wrote:
>>>Note: I don't usually read this group in detail so you probably wanna
>>>do this discussion on FIGLET-L. (I am not sure if Glenn reads this
>>>group in detail or not.)
>
>bob...@wwa.com (Bob Allison) writes:
>>   Considering the pontential of this discussion, I would assume that the 
>>Figlet folks would scan for this subject line.  Perhaps I'm wrong.  And 
>>just having this talk on the Figlet list leaves out those who are not 
>>current subscribers.  I will try to gate this thread between the ASCII 
>>art groups and the Figlet list.
>
>Well, here's an example for you: This is the first time I've had time
>to read this newsgroup since a week ago...

   Once a week???  You only read our grand and glorious group onec a 
week???  That's Blasphemy Ian.  But we'll let you go this time because 
you posted so many articles today. :^)

   Actually, I thought that since you have so many loyal Figlet users who 
post questions here, you would feel it a duty to scan this group every 
day.  After all, that's what you get the big bucks for. :^)

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bob...@wwa.com (Bob Allison) writes:
>   Once a week???  You only read our grand and glorious group onec a 
>week???  That's Blasphemy Ian.  But we'll let you go this time because 
>you posted so many articles today. :^)

>   Actually, I thought that since you have so many loyal Figlet users who 
>post questions here, you would feel it a duty to scan this group every 
>day.  After all, that's what you get the big bucks for. :^)

Big bucks! Yes, that's it! If I were paid big bucks to do it, I'd read
rec.arts.ascii more often! If Glenn were paid $200,000 a year to do
Figlet and nothing else, why, he can forget that old Math Ph.D.
altogether and go into full-time Figlet mantainance and upgrades!
There'll be figlet versions for every whim and fancy! There'll be ports
to every machine under heaven!

Heheh...

But the reality is, I'm trying to get a Ph.D. in C.S. and Glenn's
trying to get a Ph.D. in Math... oh, well...

God bless,
	Ian

P.S. Zoinks! I read rec.arts.ascii 2 days in a row!!!

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