Question: Crossposting with rec.arts.ascii

        It seems that frequently when I post to both this group and to 
rec.arts.ascii, my posts do not get through... Is there a why to this? I'd 
like to put what little stuff I can contribute in both groups, but if I cannot 
do so, I'll most likely stick with this one...

        In that spirit, some GIF conversions follow that I've been waiting for 
a while to see... If these end up being posted twice, I apologize...

        Love,          <0> <0> 
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        Chuckles        }-=-{      

God said Chuckles the Great <cpu...@sun1.iusb.indiana.edu> wrote:
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>        It seems that frequently when I post to both this group and to 
>rec.arts.ascii, my posts do not get through... Is there a why to this? I'd 
>like to put what little stuff I can contribute in both groups, but if I cannot 
>do so, I'll most likely stick with this one...

   Cross-posting to r.a.a is as easy as adding rec.arts.ascii to the 
newsgroups line.  And most people have no problems.  If you experience 
any difficulty, please feel free to email me.

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In article <CzD...@sun2.iusb.indiana.edu> chu...@NeverSpace.gorm (Chuckles the Great) writes:

>        It seems that frequently when I post to both this group and to 
>rec.arts.ascii, my posts do not get through... Is there a why to this? I'd 
>like to put what little stuff I can contribute in both groups, but if I cannot 
>do so, I'll most likely stick with this one...

rec.arts.ascii is moderated (as far as I know), that's probably why.

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Rumor has it that Jussi "SpAce" Hannula <han...@cs.usafa.af.mil> wrote:
>chu...@NeverSpace.gorm (Chuckles the Great) writes:
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>>        It seems that frequently when I post to both this group and to 
>>rec.arts.ascii, my posts do not get through... Is there a why to this? I'd 
>>like to put what little stuff I can contribute in both groups, but if I cannot 
>>do so, I'll most likely stick with this one...
>
>rec.arts.ascii is moderated (as far as I know), that's probably why.

   Since I don't make value judgements on post, there would have to some
other explanation for posting problems.  I don't want to bore regular
readers with this, but I only check to see if a post is on topic, and I
check the subject line to see if it reflects the contents of the post. 

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Bob Allison (bob...@wwa.com) wrote:

: God said Chuckles the Great <cpu...@sun1.iusb.indiana.edu> wrote:
: >
: >        It seems that frequently when I post to both this group and to 
: >rec.arts.ascii, my posts do not get through... Is there a why to this? I'd 
: >like to put what little stuff I can contribute in both groups, but if I cannot 
: >do so, I'll most likely stick with this one...

:    Cross-posting to r.a.a is as easy as adding rec.arts.ascii to the 
: newsgroups line.  And most people have no problems.  If you experience 
: any difficulty, please feel free to email me.


Yes but rec.arts.ascii is a moderated newsgroup and if you add a 
moderated newsgroup to a newsgroups line your posting will not 
get to any of the other groups if the moderator fails to action your 
posting when he/she receives it. In that event your posting will not 
reach any of the newsgroups you have nominated or which are listed 
in a posting to which you might be doing a follow-up. 

Hmm...I wonder what happens if you have TWO or more moderated groups 
in your newsgroups line. Presumably it goes to each moderator in 
some sort of newsgroup sequence until each moderator has given it 
the OK.  

This is the disadvantage to cross-posting where moderated groups are 
involved.

Also if your access site does not carry all of the groups you have 
included in your newsgroups line your posting will not appear in the 
excluded newsgroups.

Usually you get a warning on your screen at posting time to say that 
certain newsgroups you have selected are invalid at your site. You 
may not see this warning if you are not posting interactively.

Bye, 

Bob Allison (bob...@wwa.com) wrote:

>   I cannot speak for other moderators.  Some are dictators I'm 
> sure, but I'm not one of them.  Nobody has anything to fear from 
> posting or cross-posting to r.a.a.  


My comments were not aimed at the r.a.a. moderator or indeed any 
other specific moderator but at the protocols followed when a 
moderated newsgroup appears in a newsgroup listing. 

The posting goes first to the moderated group and later is released 
to the unmoderated groups. ( Thinking about it I wonder why it's 
done like that - it is a form of control on the unmoderated groups - 
or did I miss something somewhere ? ). 

I am uncertain what happens if a moderator rejects a posting for 
actual inclusion in the moderated group - presumably it is the 
moderator's decision whether to forward it to the unmoderated 
groups. If it is a silly or offensive posting perhaps it goes no 
further.  

Many users _do not know_ what actually happens to their posting if a 
moderated newsgroup is included in the newsgroup line. I certainly 
didn't know until Jorn Barger explained it in a posting shortly 
after r.a.a was created in May/June.  

When sending a follow-up to an existing posting it is not readily 
apparent that the existing newsgroup line contains moderated 
newsgroups ( unless of course you are already aware of the status of 
all the listed groups ). I respond to many postings without realising 
what the status of each newsgroup listed actually is.

Until very recently my access site did not carry r.a.a ( and many 
other groups ) and it was simply impossible to post from here to 
that newsgroup. A message would appear saying " the newsgroup r.a.a 
is not a valid newsgroup at this site".  

As I pointed out in my original posting users who post their 
messages _non-interactively_ might not even see such a warning and 
then be puzzled why their postings did not appear in the 
newsgroup(s). Their message will never reach any of the "invalid" 
newsgroups - moderated or not. 

I will still be interested to learn what happens to a posting that 
has _more than one_ moderated newsgroup included in its newsgroups 
line list - presumably it could get stuck anywhere along the line.

Quite a tricky place this Net :-)


Oh yes - a picture:


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Bye,