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Original Usenet thread from alt.ascii-art, started 13 Feb 2001.
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eeek what has happened to dejanews?

eeek what has happened to dejanews?

alt.ascii-art · 13 messages · 13 Feb 2001 - 26 Feb 2001
Google has taken over dejanews and I can't figure out how to view messages 
using fixed width (perhaps they don't know that some people want that) One 
can't search within certain dates any longer; the advanced search leaves a 
LOT to be desired....

....excerpt from http://groups.google.com/..........
: 
: Note to loyal Deja users: 
: 
: Due to time and technical constraints, it is not feasible
: for Google to maintain the interface and feature-set to
: which you are accustomed. We have been working hard to
: make this beta service available while we transition to
: a more full-featured offering. We appreciate your
: understanding and patience as we add the features you
: expect (including posting and better browsing). 
:......................................


obascii-art:
handbaskets:

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   -   (   )       =+=+=+=
     (   )   ( )===+=+=+=   When did they put wheels
                   O'   `O  on them???!!!?!??



To add insult to injury, my website is down - AGAIN....


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       (  (     )  O'   `O


NOTE: I never pick up my mail from the yahoo address. If you
are e-mailing and hit the reply button, add an "e" to "idirct";
its absence is to stop the torment of automatic mailers.
-- 
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  \ > \    llizard@idirec+.ca (   )   ( )===+=+=+=
/\/>,^ \   ASCII-art & animation  (     )  O'   `O

> Google has taken over dejanews and I can't figure out how to view messages
> using fixed width (perhaps they don't know that some people want that)

That's weird .. I view ALL postings on Google Groups in a fixed width font.
(I use IE 5.5)

No problems viewing at all.

> One
> can't search within certain dates any longer; the advanced search leaves a
> LOT to be desired....

Maybe that will come when It's out of beta version ..
Try suggesting it to them.

I personally like the great speed of Google Groups .. just like the search
engine it's really fast .. not like Deja used to be.
So, so far I like it.


> To add insult to injury, my website is down - AGAIN....

.. use a reliable webhost?

On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 20:04:06 +0100, "Christian 'CeeJay' Jensen"
<new...@CeeJay.cjb.nOt> provoked the following text:

>> Google has taken over dejanews and I can't figure out how to view messages
>> using fixed width (perhaps they don't know that some people want that)
>
>That's weird .. I view ALL postings on Google Groups in a fixed width font.
>(I use IE 5.5)
>
>No problems viewing at all.

Hmmm... If you pay my page (URL in sig) a visit, does it show up in a fixed
font? (my page is in Dutch, i do not expect you to find it even interesting or
something :-)))

>> One
>> can't search within certain dates any longer; the advanced search leaves a
>> LOT to be desired....
>Maybe that will come when It's out of beta version ..
>Try suggesting it to them.
>
>I personally like the great speed of Google Groups .. just like the search
>engine it's really fast .. not like Deja used to be.
>So, so far I like it.

I haven't looked, but why couldn't they just change the logo's and leave the
rest as it was?
-- 
        Peter Punk
          \    /
        ---\\\\---
          /    \

Draai je V3.03 al van de SETI@home client?
http://home.hetnet.nl/~setiathomegroep/index.html voor 
tips, antwoorden, discussies. links, downloads en meer.

800wu/8740hrs

"Apathy is not the problem, it's the solution"

> >> Google has taken over dejanews and I can't figure out how to view
messages
> >> using fixed width (perhaps they don't know that some people want that)
> >
> >That's weird .. I view ALL postings on Google Groups in a fixed width font.
> >(I use IE 5.5)
> >
> >No problems viewing at all.

> Hmmm... If you pay my page (URL in sig) a visit, does it show up in a fixed
> font? (my page is in Dutch, i do not expect you to find it even interesting
or
> something :-)))

No. It does not.

Weird though .. It shows up in dutch .. I thought I ordered the danish version
of the internet ? *GG* .. Just a little tech support humor (used to be one)

> >> One
> >> can't search within certain dates any longer; the advanced search leaves
a
> >> LOT to be desired....
> >Maybe that will come when It's out of beta version ..
> >Try suggesting it to them.
> >
> >I personally like the great speed of Google Groups .. just like the search
> >engine it's really fast .. not like Deja used to be.
> >So, so far I like it.
>
> I haven't looked, but why couldn't they just change the logo's and leave the
> rest as it was?

Because the idea was to enhance Deja with the fast search capabilities of
google technology ?

It's only been here about 24 hours .. give them a break .. complain all you
want in 2 weeks


> "Apathy is not the problem, it's the solution"

Tell it to someone who gives a shit *lol*

Cheers !
CeeJay

firezamor <jo...@mamma.com> ASCII art 15 Feb 2001 05:05 · permalink · report
Assuming the aliens haven't yet gotten to me, in 
article # <p6bi6.116331$9v2...@quark.idirect.com> 
liz...@yahooPLEASETAKEOUTTHEGARBAGE.com puked up:
> Google has taken over dejanews and I can't figure out how to view messages 
> using fixed width (perhaps they don't know that some people want that) One 
> can't search within certain dates any longer; the advanced search leaves a 
> LOT to be desired....
> 
> ....excerpt from http://groups.google.com/..........
> : 
> : Note to loyal Deja users: 
> : 
> : Due to time and technical constraints, it is not feasible
> : for Google to maintain the interface and feature-set to
> : which you are accustomed. We have been working hard to
> : make this beta service available while we transition to
> : a more full-featured offering. We appreciate your
> : understanding and patience as we add the features you
> : expect (including posting and better browsing). 
> :......................................
> 
> 
> obascii-art:
> handbaskets:
> 
>                . ~ .   
>              '       '  
>             ;         ; 
>             "="="="="="                  . ~ .
>             ="="="="="=                '       '
>              ="="="="=                ;         ;
>               ="="="=                 +=+=+=+=+=+
>  ,===========.                        =+=+=+=+=+=
> I             I                        =+=+=+=+=
> I             I      ,========,         =+=+=+=
> I=I=I=I=I=I=I=I     =          =
> =I=I=I=I=I=I=I=    =            =
> I=I=I=I=I=I=I=I   ==,==,==,==,==,=
> =I=I=I=I=I=I=I=   ,==,==,==,==,==,
>                   =,==,==,==,==,==
>                    =,==,==,==,==,
> 
> 
>         -       -   . ~. 
>                    '     '
>       -     -     ;    ,^%---
>                   +=+=+=+=\ We're all going to Hell
>               -   =+=+=+=+= in Handbaskets
>    -   (   )       =+=+=+=
>      (   )   ( )===+=+=+=   When did they put wheels
>                    O'   `O  on them???!!!?!??
> 
> 


What happened? It was assimilated by invaders from a silicon valley tech 
firm/gone evil empire!!!!!!!!!!!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!
BWAHAHAHA...


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




...Sorry, I got a bit carried away there. I-)

------firezamor

"Kids, don't try this at home!"

Christian 'CeeJay' Jensen <new...@ceejay.cjb.not> wrote:
:>
:> I haven't looked, but why couldn't they just change the logo's and leave the
:> rest as it was?

: Because the idea was to enhance Deja with the fast search capabilities of
: google technology ?

No. because the idea was to fire 90% of people who maintained
previous design. They say explicitly that the are unable to
maintain as rich feature set as it was up till now.

brojek.

On Thu, 15 Feb 2001 02:16:46 +0100, "Christian 'CeeJay' Jensen"
<new...@CeeJay.cjb.nOt> provoked the following text:

>> >> Google has taken over dejanews and I can't figure out how to view
>> >> messages using fixed width (perhaps they don't know that some people want that)
>> >That's weird .. I view ALL postings on Google Groups in a fixed width font.
>> >(I use IE 5.5)
>> >No problems viewing at all.
>> Hmmm... If you pay my page (URL in sig) a visit, does it show up in a fixed
>> font? (my page is in Dutch, i do not expect you to find it even interesting
>> or something :-)))
>No. It does not.

Good, for a minute i thought you had your default font set to a fixed one.

>Weird though .. It shows up in dutch .. I thought I ordered the danish version
>of the internet ? *GG* .. Just a little tech support humor (used to be one)

"Can you put the internet on this floppy for me?"

>> >> One
>> >> can't search within certain dates any longer; the advanced search leaves
>> >> a LOT to be desired....
>> >Maybe that will come when It's out of beta version ..
>> >Try suggesting it to them.
>> >I personally like the great speed of Google Groups .. just like the search
>> >engine it's really fast .. not like Deja used to be.
>> >So, so far I like it.
>> I haven't looked, but why couldn't they just change the logo's and leave the
>> rest as it was?
>Because the idea was to enhance Deja with the fast search capabilities of
>google technology ?

Well then, in good ITIL tradition they should have run a pilot first instead of
cascading it onto the net. The other option would have been running it parallel
to the old searchengine, but the way this has been done is all wrong.

>It's only been here about 24 hours .. give them a break .. complain all you
>want in 2 weeks

Unless you can prove they screwed up, and they did.

>> "Apathy is not the problem, it's the solution"
>Tell it to someone who gives a shit *lol*

ROFL!!! Point proven!
-- 
        Peter Punk
          \    /
        ---\\\\---
          /    \

Draai je V3.03 al van de SETI@home client?
http://home.hetnet.nl/~setiathomegroep/index.html voor 
tips, antwoorden, discussies. links, downloads en meer.

804wu/8740hrs

Anal sex is prohibited. (English law)

> >Weird though .. It shows up in dutch .. I thought I ordered the danish
version
> >of the internet ? *GG* .. Just a little tech support humor (used to be one)

> "Can you put the internet on this floppy for me?"

Hehe :)

> >> "Apathy is not the problem, it's the solution"
> >Tell it to someone who gives a shit *lol*

> ROFL!!! Point proven!
Exactly .. I knew you would love it :)


> Anal sex is prohibited. (English law)
Don't go to England.

"Don't do a thing , if you ain't got that ring .. duab duab duab du a du
aaaaa" *singing*
.. Think gay and you'll get it ;)
Tran should have no problems.

My apologies to Nanny Fine who first stole this (From the original song ..
that went :
"It don't mean a thing , if it ain't got that swing .. duab duab duab du a du
duab du aaaaa"

Warm regards
CeeJay

I like you Peter .. you're funny.

On Fri, 16 Feb 2001 01:18:21 +0100, "Christian 'CeeJay' Jensen"
<new...@CeeJay.cjb.nOt> provoked the following text:

>> >Weird though .. It shows up in dutch .. I thought I ordered the danish
>> >version of the internet ? *GG* .. Just a little tech support humor (used to 
>> >be one)
>> "Can you put the internet on this floppy for me?"
>Hehe :)

<g> I'm the BAFH at a school here (3000+ students) :-))

Do you know this site?
http://www.rinkworks.com/stupid/

If not, you'll love it!

I found this one there:
Tech Support: "Yeah, just go to our website it's at www.[our
company].com...yeah, three w's, then a dot, then [our company], then a dot then
'com'...yeah, that's right. . . . What do you mean, how do you spell 'dot'?" 

>> Anal sex is prohibited. (English law)
>Don't go to England.

But but butt...

>"Don't do a thing , if you ain't got that ring .. duab duab duab du a du
>aaaaa" *singing*
>.. Think gay and you'll get it ;)
>Tran should have no problems.

I'm sure he would love Holland, gays can get legally married here.

>Warm regards
>CeeJay
>
>I like you Peter .. you're funny.

Thanks, you make me feel fluffy all over.
-- 
        Peter Punk
          \    /
        ---\\\\---
          /    \

Draai je V3.03 al van de SETI@home client?
http://home.hetnet.nl/~setiathomegroep/index.html voor 
tips, antwoorden, discussies. links, downloads en meer.

811wu/8740hrs

Good day to avoid cops.  Crawl to school.

MJP <mik...@bluedwarf.spam.net> ASCII art 17 Feb 2001 02:50 · permalink · report
On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 14:00:53 GMT, lli...@yahooPLEASETAKEOUTTHEGARBAGE.com (llizard) wrote:

>Google has taken over dejanews and I can't figure out how to view messages 
>using fixed width (perhaps they don't know that some people want that) One 
>can't search within certain dates any longer; the advanced search leaves a 
>LOT to be desired....

I got this off http://freshmeat.net/projects/ija/

by N/A - Tuesday, June 29th 1999 16:52 EST 

 Ija is an interactive command-line client to the Deja database of Usenet posts. Ija lets you query
Deja without
 enduring the web interface. Features include saving articles and online mini-help. 

 Author:
 Asher Blum <asher at magicnet dot net>

 Homepage:
 http://wildspark.com/asher/ija/
 Tar/GZ:
 http://wildspark.com/asher/ija/ija-0.4.3.gz

 Trove categories: 
 Old Appindex :: Console :: Communication 

>
>....excerpt from http://groups.google.com/..........
>: 
>: Note to loyal Deja users: 
>: 
>: Due to time and technical constraints, it is not feasible
>: for Google to maintain the interface and feature-set to
>: which you are accustomed. We have been working hard to
>: make this beta service available while we transition to
>: a more full-featured offering. We appreciate your
>: understanding and patience as we add the features you
>: expect (including posting and better browsing). 
>:......................................
>
>
>obascii-art:
>handbaskets:
>
>               . ~ .   
>             '       '  
>            ;         ; 
>            "="="="="="                  . ~ .
>            ="="="="="=                '       '
>             ="="="="=                ;         ;
>              ="="="=                 +=+=+=+=+=+
> ,===========.                        =+=+=+=+=+=
>I             I                        =+=+=+=+=
>I             I      ,========,         =+=+=+=
>I=I=I=I=I=I=I=I     =          =
>=I=I=I=I=I=I=I=    =            =
>I=I=I=I=I=I=I=I   ==,==,==,==,==,=
>=I=I=I=I=I=I=I=   ,==,==,==,==,==,
>                  =,==,==,==,==,==
>                   =,==,==,==,==,
>
>
>        -       -   . ~. 
>                   '     '
>      -     -     ;    ,^%---
>                  +=+=+=+=\ We're all going to Hell
>              -   =+=+=+=+= in Handbaskets
>   -   (   )       =+=+=+=
>     (   )   ( )===+=+=+=   When did they put wheels
>                   O'   `O  on them???!!!?!??
>
>
>
>To add insult to injury, my website is down - AGAIN....
>
>
>        -     -       . ~.  
>           ,^^^_/   '      '  
>      - /\< - \__  ;       ;  
>     ---%^\        +=+=+=+=+ 
>       /  /   -   =+=+=+=+=
>   -   (   )       =+=+=+=  
>     (   )   ( )===+=+=+=
>       (  (     )  O'   `O
>
>
>NOTE: I never pick up my mail from the yahoo address. If you
>are e-mailing and hit the reply button, add an "e" to "idirct";
>its absence is to stop the torment of automatic mailers.
>-- 
>                                  -     -       . ~.  
>                                             '      '  
>                               -     -      ;       ;  
>     /     how many times                  +=+=+=+=+ 
>    |,^%--- must I try to jump out???  -   =+=+=+=+=
>    <   \                   -   (   )       =+=+=+=  
>  \ > \    llizard@idirec+.ca (   )   ( )===+=+=+=
>/\/>,^ \   ASCII-art & animation  (     )  O'   `O
>

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On Thu, 15 Feb 2001 23:14:21 GMT, ppu...@damthatspam.chello.nl (Peter
Punk) wrote:

>Well then, in good ITIL tradition they should have run a pilot first instead of
>cascading it onto the net. The other option would have been running it parallel
>to the old searchengine, but the way this has been done is all wrong.

It looks to me more like a rescue effort on the part of google.  After
ebay bought Deja's profitable business ("precision buying"), what
would have happened to the non-profit usenet archive if google hadn't
picked it up?  Personally, I think that's a valuable resource, and I'm
glad *someone* has it.

Lemming
-- 
Curiosity *may* have killed Schrodinger's cat.

zne...@ovtsbbg.pbz 26 Feb 2001 16:55 · permalink · report
On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 14:00:53 GMT, 
lli...@yahooPLEASETAKEOUTTHEGARBAGE.com (llizard) wrote:
> Google has taken over dejanews and I can't figure out how to view 
messages 
> using fixed width (perhaps they don't know that some people want 
that) One 
> can't search within certain dates any longer; the advanced search 
leaves a 
> LOT to be desired....
> 


http://users.vfree.com/p/penguin/etc/screenshots/
 ... googledejainmonospace.gif
(You'll need to put that back together, without the intervening 
dots ... my current newsreader sucks!)

That's a screenshot of your post using Google Groups aka Deja.com. 
It's looked like that for me since day one. I think your browser is 
choking on the <font> tags within the <pre> tags (which seem to 
have no reason to exist, but I digress.) I can only recommend that 
you use a different browser! :)

Kind Regards,
-Martin

In article <110...@nurgled.mart.co.uk>,
zne...@ovtsbbg.pbz wrote:

>On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 14:00:53 GMT, 
>lli...@yahooPLEASETAKEOUTTHEGARBAGE.com (llizard) wrote:
>> Google has taken over dejanews and I can't figure out how to view 
>> messages using fixed width (perhaps they don't know that some
>> people want that) One can't search within certain dates any 
>> longer; the advanced search leaves a LOT to be desired....
>
>http://users.vfree.com/p/penguin/etc/screenshots/
> ... googledejainmonospace.gif
>(You'll need to put that back together, without the intervening 
>dots ... my current newsreader sucks!)
>
>That's a screenshot of your post using Google Groups aka Deja.com. 
>It's looked like that for me since day one. I think your browser is 
>choking on the <font> tags within the <pre> tags (which seem to 
>have no reason to exist, but I digress.) I can only recommend that 
>you use a different browser! :)

Thanks for the reply, Martin;

But as it happens, my browser (Netscape4.73) is not choking on the
extraneous <font> tags in the html coding. It is choking on the
stylesheet.

<style><!--
body {font-family: arial,sans-serif;}
div.nav {margin-top: 1ex;}
div.nav A,span.nav {font-size: 10pt; font-family: arial,sans-serif;}
div.nav A,span.big {font-size: 12pt; color: #0000cc;}
div.nav A {font-size: 10pt; color: black;}
A.l:link {color: #6f6f6f;}
A.u:link {color: green;}
//--></style>

If I disable stylesheets when viewing posts via
Google/used-to-be-dejanews, then they are in fixed width. That is
perfectly acceptable solution for me as it is quite simple to
disable/enable stylesheets.

And to think that someone is being PAID to put in all those extra font
tags....

(Please note that by my posting the following drawing by Ool is in no
way meant to imply that I think Ool would be so foolish and prodigal
with font tags between pre tags.)

                              )
                         )   __    (
                        __  (~(    __
                       (~(   \O\   )~)
                        )O)   )_) (O(
                       (_(__ (     )_) )
                          )~)__      __
                         /O/ )~)  ) (~(
                        (_( (O(  __  \O\
                          )  )_)(~(   \_\
                         __      )O)   (             __________
                 _      (~(   __(_(    __         _-'          `-_
          ,-----' |    _ \O\<'~_`)   ) )~)       /   *SNORT!*     \
          | //  : |  -'   )_))^ \\  __(O(    ___| MUHAHAHAHAHAH!!! |
          | //  : |   ---    >__;` (~( )_)   `-.  mmWAHAHAHA!!!!!  |
          | //  : |  -._     /\_\   \O\         \    YEEHAH!!!    /
          `-----._|     __  /__( \|  )_)         `--___________--'
           _/___\_    //)_`/( (| ||]
     _____[_______]_[~~-_ (.L)O) ||
    [____________________]' (_(,/(~(
      ||| /          )~)  ,___,'./\O\
      ||| \         (O(|,'______|( )_)
      ||| /          )_) I==||  __
      ||| \       __/_||  __||__)~)
  -----||-/------`-._/||-o-_o__(O(--  __
    ~~~~~'   ____     __  /_O_/.\_\   \~\
             \_O_\   /~/__/_/O`.o.     \O\
             ____   /O/_\_O/_/  `.' .   \_\
            /_O_/  /_/\_O_\ \O\   ,o,'
                             \_\ `.'

Ool



NOTE: I never pick up my mail from the yahoo address. If you
are e-mailing and hit the reply button, add an "e" to "idirct";
its absence is to stop the torment of automatic mailers.
-- 
       ___                                 llizard@idirec+.ca
     _/   |    ,^%---                         llizard aka ejm
    |_____|  __<_ \  It boggles what's left of my mind.
      --- ==   >/
    [_ejm_]  __>,^             ASCII-ar+ and ASCII-anima+ions
     |   |  //| |      www.crosswinds.net/~llizard/ascii-art/

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