Re: TIME TRAVEL IS *POSSIBLE*
From Simon harris <sim...@musicoflife.demon.co.uk>
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I know it is, I am from the future. John W Kennedy wrote in message <364...@ibm.net>... >Barry O'Grady wrote: >> >> John W Kennedy <rri...@ibm.net> wrote: >> >> :Barry O'Grady wrote: >> :> You forget that the imagined time dilation is relative. So when you travel >> :> away from earth at high speed you gain 10 minutes, but you lose it the >> :> moment you stop. But theres more. When you travel away from earth at >> :> light speed the earth is moving away from you at light speed. So you >> :> gain 10 minutes but then so do the people on the earth. So you gain >> :> nothing. >> :> >> :> There is only one time and that is now. >> : >> :No. >> : >> :You are incorrectly generalizing Special Relativity, the equations of >> :which apply as they stand only to the special case of objects >> :permanently moving at constant speeds in straight lines. >> >> Even when you are standing still you are moveing away from some objects >> at high speed and at the same time you are moveing towards some other >> objects at high speed. How do you account for that? > >As long as everyone keeps moving in straight lines at the same speed, >each one's clock seems to be running slower from the viewpoint of the >other. Since they can never meet to check, it doesn't matter which one >is "right"; they both are. If they _can_ meet to check, then you've >left the limited bounds of Special Relativity. > >> :You do _not_ >> :"lose [accumulated time dilation] when you stop," and if you turn around >> :and come back to Earth at the same high speed at which you left, you >> :will find that you have gained a total of 20 minutes, the difference >> :being that you accelerated and Earth (barring the negligible effect from >> :the Earth's orbit being an ellipse, not a straight line) didn't. >> >> When you accelerate relative to the earth the earth accelerates relative >> to you. Therefore the people on earth also gain 20 minutes. How do you >> account for that? > >As I said, as soon as you stop and turn around, you're not doing Special >Relativity any more, but General Relativity, where the issue becomes >(very loosely speaking) "Which one feels a pseudogravity effect from the >acceleration?" You do. Earth doesn't. > >-- >-John W. Kennedy >-rri...@ibm.net >Compact is becoming contract >Man only earns and pays. -- Charles Williams > >
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