Original Usenet thread from alt.ascii-art, started 14 Sep 2001.
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alt.ascii-art
· 101 messages · 14 Sep 2001 - 5 Oct 2001
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What do you think about this one?
I ment picture of course, not man on it. In fact it's
me just without my earrings... ...I look older in RL.
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very nice old-paper-scroll ascii! On Fri, 14 Sep 2001 23:43:50 +0200, "bug" <bug...@akw.pl> wrote: > __ > .' `""*****------------........________ > / _______...........______________ `\ > : .j"""' ___ __ _ `T`*; > |/ : | | /\ |\ | | | | \ | > `; | ^ | :__: | \ | | |- | ; | > | |/ \| | | | \| | |__ |_/ .-*' > | ____....ssssssss....____ `". > | .P""""""""""""""""""""""""T. | > `-. T ,' \ T | > .-' ; : ,*'"*v*"*; : | > | | | / | | | > | | ,-: .*" "*; | | > | | ;P <o> <o>| | : > ; | `-. , | | .' > ; | : '.___. ' | `. > : | |`. - / | ; > `; | _.: `-.__.' | | > `-, ; ,-*' `-.__.-''*-._ : | > ,-': b: `. d | > : `b________________________d' /, > | """"****T$$$$$$P****"""" "| > `; _ __ _ _ | > `; | \ | | | /\ | \ | \ | > ._| |_/ |- | ^ | :__: |_/ | ; ,', > `. | \ |__ |/ \| | | | \ |_/ `| > ; _ _ _ _ .|-,`, > [bug] | /| / \ / \ / \ / \ (_|_ : > __ : | : ; : ; : ; : ; | ) | . > \ `'-._ | \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ `-|" | /; > \ `***-----...__ _____.....----+-*'/ > `-.__...-----... `:,-' _.' > `**--..____...----***'' > >What do you think about this one? >I ment picture of course, not man on it. In fact it's >me just without my earrings... ...I look older in RL. > >bug -- ___ ,----------------------. // \ ( I'M GONNA DIE! ..UHH.. ) INSOMNIA part 5 //-[.].] `----------------------' soon to be revealed \|\ _\ ___,' alt.ascii-art
> very nice old-paper-scroll ascii!
Thanks. Actualy I'm not good in 'thin' ascii-art,
I'm much better in 'thick' one, but I wanted to
try myself...
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I think you should post in plain text with a fixed width (monospace font). you picture has to be copied and pasted into Notepad before I can begin to understand it. (this reply is in the format that you posted in) "bug" <bug...@akw.pl> wrote in message news:9nu...@localhost.h46280d6f.invalid... : __ : .' `""*****------------........________ : / _______...........______________ `\ : : .j"""' ___ __ _ `T`*; : |/ : | | /\ |\ | | | | \ | : `; | ^ | :__: | \ | | |- | ; | : | |/ \| | | | \| | |__ |_/ .-*' : | ____....ssssssss....____ `". : | .P""""""""""""""""""""""""T. | : `-. T ,' \ T | : .-' ; : ,*'"*v*"*; : | : | | | / | | | : | | ,-: .*" "*; | | : | | ;P <o> <o>| | : : ; | `-. , | | .' : ; | : '.___. ' | `. : : | |`. - / | ; : `; | _.: `-.__.' | | : `-, ; ,-*' `-.__.-''*-._ : | : ,-': b: `. d | : : `b________________________d' /, : | """"****T$$$$$$P****"""" "| : `; _ __ _ _ | : `; | \ | | | /\ | \ | \ | : ._| |_/ |- | ^ | :__: |_/ | ; ,', : `. | \ |__ |/ \| | | | \ |_/ `| : ; _ _ _ _ .|-,`, : [bug] | /| / \ / \ / \ / \ (_|_ : : __ : | : ; : ; : ; : ; | ) | . : \ `'-._ | \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ `-|" | /; : \ `***-----...__ _____.....----+-*'/ : `-.__...-----... `:,-' _.' : `**--..____...----***'' : : What do you think about this one? : I ment picture of course, not man on it. In fact it's : me just without my earrings... ...I look older in RL. : : bug : : -- : . :'.v.'; . +*"*+._.+*"*+._.+*"*+._.+*"*+ . :'.v.'; . : \_.* *._/ bug...@akw.pl -=- GG: 1093730 \_.* *._/ : ._: bug ;_. 'Bo to zla kobieta byla...' ._: bug ;_. : *._.* +._.+*"*+._.+*"*+._.+*"*+._.+ *._.* :
Tommy wrote: > > I think you should post in plain text with a fixed width (monospace font). you > picture has to be copied and pasted into Notepad before I can begin to > understand it. (this reply is in the format that you posted in) > It looked perfectly fine to me,perhaps your browser is not using the correct font. -- |"""""<`.THE PRINCE ,'>"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""| | `.`/""""""\,',' my sig is too big, | |SEE HIS ( / \ \' SEE HIS but its really cool. | | FACE \/<> <>\/ SMILE | | / W \ Visit my ascii art site: | | ,'\_|||||_/`. http://www.gtcom.net/~krogg/ascii/ | | ,',' ||| `.`. kro...@gtcom.net | |____<,' TIME TO DIE `.>____Remove no.to.spam to reply____|
"Krogg" <kro...@gtcom.net> skrev i meddelandet news:3BA...@gtcom.net... > Tommy wrote: > > > > I think you should post in plain text with a fixed width (monospace font). you > > picture has to be copied and pasted into Notepad before I can begin to > > understand it. (this reply is in the format that you posted in) > > > > It looked perfectly fine to me,perhaps your browser is not using the correct > font. The problem is only that he is using Central European encoding, and I'm guessing that Tommy's news viewer/browser or whatever only shows Western European (Windows) encoded messages in a fixed width font. (I'm guessing that he's using Western European since that seems to be the format of his messages.) Tommy has to find a way to set his news proggie to view Central European messages in a fixed width font. -- http://www.ite.mh.se/~joaal98/ascii ___ __ _ _ _ ________ _ / \\\ Word. \ \| `.| `.| `\ \ \ \ `.' \ [.[.]-\\ , \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ _, \ /_ /|/ /\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ (jg) {-} |= \__/`._|\_\_\_,_\__|\_\_\ \_\ #// (\ "Krogg" <kro...@gtcom.net> skrev i meddelandet news:3BA...@gtcom.net... > Tommy wrote: > > > > I think you should post in plain text with a fixed width (monospace font). you > > picture has to be copied and pasted into Notepad before I can begin to > > understand it. (this reply is in the format that you posted in) > > > > It looked perfectly fine to me,perhaps your browser is not using the correct > font. > > > -- > |"""""<`.THE PRINCE ,'>"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""| > | `.`/""""""\,',' my sig is too big, | > |SEE HIS ( / \ \' SEE HIS but its really cool. | > | FACE \/<> <>\/ SMILE | > | / W \ Visit my ascii art site: | > | ,'\_|||||_/`. http://www.gtcom.net/~krogg/ascii/ | > | ,',' ||| `.`. kro...@gtcom.net | > |____<,' TIME TO DIE `.>____Remove no.to.spam to reply____|
Great, managed to double quote. Sorry.
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U�ytkownik "Tommy" <tot...@why.are.you.reading.this.com> napisa� w wiadomo�ci news:9nvsmu$7gj$1...@news6.svr.pol.co.uk... > I think you should post in plain text with a fixed width (monospace font). you > picture has to be copied and pasted into Notepad before I can begin to > understand it. (this reply is in the format that you posted in) I posted it in plain text with fixed widtf font --> Lucida Console. I think that Joaquim have explained you were problem was with viewing my pic in your news reader. bug -- . :'.v.'; . +*"*+._.+*"*+._.+*"*+._.+*"*+ . :'.v.'; . \_.* *._/ bug...@akw.pl -=- GG: 1093730 \_.* *._/ ._: bug ;_. 'I see no changes...' ._: bug ;_. *._.* +._.+*"*+._.+*"*+._.+*"*+._.+ *._.*
> I posted it in plain text with fixed widtf font --> Lucida Console. > I think that Joaquim have explained you were problem was with viewing ^^^^ It was supposed to be 'where' not 'were'... bug -- . :'.v.'; . +*"*+._.+*"*+._.+*"*+._.+*"*+ . :'.v.'; . \_.* *._/ bug...@akw.pl -=- GG: 1093730 \_.* *._/ ._: bug ;_. 'Bo to zla kobieta byla...' ._: bug ;_. *._.* +._.+*"*+._.+*"*+._.+*"*+._.+ *._.*
On 2001-09-15 tot...@why.are.you.reading.this.com said: >I think you should post in plain text with a fixed width (monospace >font). you picture has to be copied and pasted into Notepad before >I can begin to understand it. (this reply is in the format that you >posted in) The original post =was= made in plain text. And plain text =is= a 'fixed width' font. There's obviously some misunderstanding here about the original concept of 'ASCII art.' So for the benefit of the youngsters in this group, who grew up knowing nothing but Mikro$loth's pointee-clickee graphical abomination (otherwise known as Win-Doze), let's define the true nature of ASCII art. ASCII art is designed to be displayed in 80 x 25 =TEXT MODE,= using the computer's default character definitions...which are contained in the BIOS. There's no place in classic ASCII art for graphics mode, fonts, Win-Doze, Notepad, Internet Explorer, or any of the other crap with which Mikro$loth has polluted the modern PC. In order to create -- and view -- ASCII art as it was originally conceived, you must get OUT of Win-Doze, and get INTO DOS. Once you're in that 80 x 25 text-mode DOS environment, you then can use a DOS-based text editor to design your creation. That's =real= ASCII art. Using Win-Doze to design and view ASCII art is like having an inflatable rubber doll as a boyfriend or girlfriend. It might satisfy =some= people, but it's not even CLOSE to the real thing!
[...] > Using Win-Doze to design and view ASCII art is like having an > inflatable rubber doll as a boyfriend or girlfriend. It might > satisfy =some= people, but it's not even CLOSE to the real thing! I'm begining to feel weird :) bug -- . (_v_) . - --=O=-- - I've been so many places - \_/ \_/ - bug...@akw.pl - I've seen so many faces - ._: bug ;_. - GG: 1093730 - But nothin' compares to this - *._.* - --=O=-- - Blue and yellow purple pills - D12 -
> > I posted it in plain text with fixed widtf font --> Lucida Console. > > I think that Joaquim have explained you were problem was with viewing > ^^^^ > > It was supposed to be 'where' not 'were'... Actually neither *gg* .. It should have been "what the problem was" .. but "where the problem was" might have worked. Oh well , this is not an english class (heck, I could be wrong too) and you were understood, which is really all that matters.
anonymous@bogus_address.con wrote: > > On 2001-09-15 tot...@why.are.you.reading.this.com said: > > >I think you should post in plain text with a fixed width (monospace > >font). you picture has to be copied and pasted into Notepad before > >I can begin to understand it. (this reply is in the format that you > >posted in) > > Using Win-Doze to design and view ASCII art is like having an > inflatable rubber doll as a boyfriend or girlfriend. It might > satisfy =some= people, but it's not even CLOSE to the real thing! Total flame bait..... Obascii: _ .-'_`-, \_/ ( ) \_/ / \_ | | _/ \ \_/ | | \_/ Look into my eyes,sleepy / \ (_) / \ You are getting,sleepy '-._.-` Very SLEEPY.sleepy. -- |"""""<`.THE PRINCE ,'>"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""| | `.`/""""""\,',' my sig is too big, | |SEE HIS ( / \ \' SEE HIS but its really cool. | | FACE \/<> <>\/ SMILE | | / W \ Visit my ascii art site: | | ,'\_|||||_/`. http://www.gtcom.net/~krogg/ascii/ | | ,',' ||| `.`. kro...@gtcom.net | |____<,' TIME TO DIE `.>____Remove no.to.spam to reply____|
[...] > Oh well , this is not an english class (heck, I could be wrong too) and you were > understood, which is really all that matters. Thanks. bug -- . (_v_) . - --=O=-- - I've been so many places - \_/ \_/ - bug...@akw.pl - I've seen so many faces - ._: bug ;_. - GG: 1093730 - But nothin' compares to this - *._.* - --=O=-- - Blue and yellow purple pills - D12 -
> > Using Win-Doze to design and view ASCII art is like having an > > inflatable rubber doll as a boyfriend or girlfriend. It might > > satisfy =some= people, but it's not even CLOSE to the real thing! > > I'm begining to feel weird :) I feel weird already .. but thats a natural state for me .. i'm used to it :) I will continue to do my ascii with the windows notepad , textpad or outlook express's new message window. Some would say making or even enjoying ascii-art is weird .. like my ex " Why dont you just draw a picture ? " she said .. "because anyone can do that !" I said .. "this takes skill !" .. I thought I make a good point but she still thought I was nuts
> Some would say making or even enjoying ascii-art is weird .. like my ex " Why > dont you just draw a picture ? " she said .. "because anyone can do that !" I > said .. "this takes skill !" .. I thought I make a good point but she still > thought I was nuts That was good, the part about that anyone can draw a picture... I have to remember it, it's real good. And it's true... bug -- . (_v_) . - --=O=-- - I've been so many places - \_/ \_/ - bug...@akw.pl - I've seen so many faces - ._: bug ;_. - GG: 1093730 - But nothin' compares to this - *._.* - --=O=-- - Blue and yellow purple pills - D12 -
I woudln't have noticed that you had done that if you didn't tell me. You should have kept it quiet! -- Robert Joaquim Almgren Gandara <cla...@lords.com> wrote in message news:9o0216$a06qe$1...@ID-102694.news.dfncis.de... > Great, managed to double quote. Sorry. > > -- > > http://www.ite.mh.se/~joaal98/ascii ___ > __ _ _ _ ________ _ / \\\ I'm stupid. > \ \| `.| `.| `\ \ \ \ `.' \ [.[.]-\\ , > \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ _, \ /_ /|/ > /\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ (jg) {-} |= > \__/`._|\_\_\_,_\__|\_\_\ \_\ #// (\ > >
hola CeeJay, soy una robusteza! >> > Using Win-Doze to design and view ASCII art is like having an >> > inflatable rubber doll as a boyfriend or girlfriend. It might >> > satisfy =some= people, but it's not even CLOSE to the real thing! >> >> I'm begining to feel weird :) > >I feel weird already .. but thats a natural state for me .. i'm used to it :) >I will continue to do my ascii with the windows notepad , textpad or outlook >express's new message window. > >Some would say making or even enjoying ascii-art is weird .. like my ex " Why >dont you just draw a picture ? " she said .. "because anyone can do that !" I >said .. "this takes skill !" .. I thought I make a good point but she still >thought I was nuts I do ascii for the opposite reason. -- | _ .\ ~~ _ ^~ | <')_,/ , ; .\ >(')__, . ` ' , ,______________._ *BANG* | (_~=/ \._`.'. .\ (_~_/ _, '------:_______ ;==( *BANG* | ='- \=~_) ; .\ ~^~~^~ ` (_~_/ | | `-\ \ *BANG* | -'= .\ ~^~ ~^~~^~ `~' \_; ICQ:11367619 EMAIL:bateau:-)jupiter-io.net WEB:http://tyrian2000.cjb.net This was an unecessary and frivolent post that did not contain any reason or logic. This kind of post is likely to be seen by many as acting like a troll.
> He used plain ascii. No encoding necessary. Yes, but he needs Central European Encoding to discuss things in Polish, which is why he is using Central European Encoding. > Erm, what newsreaders are you using? Agent just lets me specify > "fixedsys", and all messages are in fixedsys. I'm using Outlook. -- http://www.ite.mh.se/~joaal98/ascii ___ __ _ _ _ ________ _ / \\\ Yo. \ \| `.| `.| `\ \ \ \ `.' \ [.[.]-\\ , \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ _, \ /_ /|/ /\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ (jg) {-} |= \__/`._|\_\_\_,_\__|\_\_\ \_\ #// (\
On 2001-09-21 now...@nowhere.co.uk said: > > Using Win-Doze to design and view ASCII art is like having an > > inflatable rubber doll as a boyfriend or girlfriend. It might > > satisfy =some= people, but it's not even CLOSE to the real thing! > >Erm, what difference does it make what OS you use? A lot! >Surely only the editor is important? No; it goes way beyond that. A graphics-mode pointee-clickee operating system isolates the user from the machine's default 80 x 25 text-mode characters. The characters you see on a Win-Doze screen -- and in a Win- Doze-based editor -- bear little relation to true ASCII. They're prettied-up, graphically-generated 'pictures' of char- acters; not real bare-metal ASCII. What I'm saying is that the creation and viewing of true, =classic= ASCII art requires access to the machine's default 80 x 25 text mode characters. You can't get that in Win-Doze. Mikro$loth and Win-Doze are the 'fast food' of the computer industry. They bear about as much relation to real computing as McDonald's does to a real restaurant. If you're satisfied with a meal of Chikken McNuggets, French fries and a Coke, fine; you can go to McDonald's. But if you want a meal of real oven-roasted chicken, a genuine baked potato, and a vintage-dated varietal wine, you don't go to McDonald's...because they don't serve that. The choice, of course, is yours.
> >I feel weird already .. but thats a natural state for me .. i'm used to it :) > >I will continue to do my ascii with the windows notepad , textpad or outlook > >express's new message window. > > Use something like WinVI, it's much better. As far as I'm aware, > notepad and outlook express don't let you overwrite characters. Ever tried the INSERT key ? Texpad also supports block editing .. which rocks.
> A graphics-mode pointee-clickee operating system isolates the > user from the machine's default 80 x 25 text-mode characters. You still have the command prompt > The characters you see on a Win-Doze screen -- and in a Win- > Doze-based editor -- bear little relation to true ASCII. > They're prettied-up, graphically-generated 'pictures' of char- > acters; not real bare-metal ASCII. I don't agree .. they are just as ugly as everything else :)
On 2001-09-22 new...@ceejay.cjb.nOt said: > > A graphics-mode pointee-clickee operating system isolates the > > user from the machine's default 80 x 25 text-mode characters. > >You still have the command prompt This is true. And when you've exited to the Win-Doze pseudo-'DOS' prompt, you're no longer in Win-Doze, per se. Even though the Win-Doze kernel is still in control, you're now in Virtual 86 mode. And for purposes of ASCII art, V-86 mode is better than being in the Win-Doze pointee-clickee gooey. At least you have access to the =real= 80 x 25 text- mode characters. So if you don't have a genuine real-mode O.S. in- stalled on your computer, Virtual 86 mode is the next-best option. From there, you can run a simple DOS-based text editor (such as the freeware TED.COM program) to create your ASCII art.
In article <tqo...@corp.supernews.com>, anonymous@bogus_address.con writes >And when you've exited to the Win-Doze pseudo-'DOS' >prompt, you're no longer in Win-Doze, per se. Even >though the Win-Doze kernel is still in control, >you're now in Virtual 86 mode. > >And for purposes of ASCII art, V-86 mode is better >than being in the Win-Doze pointee-clickee gooey. >At least you have access to the =real= 80 x 25 text- >mode characters. > >So if you don't have a genuine real-mode O.S. in- >stalled on your computer, Virtual 86 mode is the >next-best option. > From there, you can run a simple DOS-based text >editor (such as the freeware TED.COM program) to >create your ASCII art. I have Win98, but use Norton Commander (from 1989) (in 80x40(?) character mode) for almost everything (although unfortunately I have to use the DOS 'copy' command to copy with long filenames) and EDIT for file-editing (much better than horrible Notepad -- indent/outdent blocks of text, automatic indenting of new lines, 9 files open at once, etc...) It's just a lot quicker than Windows -- going from 4 directories down back to the root directory took 7.58 seconds in Windows and 1.19 seconds in Norton Commander. To edit a file with NC, I just select it and press F4. To view a file in hex mode, I just use F3 then F4. It's much more efficient than Windows (shift, right click, wait, open with, wait, wait more, notepad, wait...), which is why I'm still using the 12-year old program :-) -- Philip Taylor philip @ zaynar . demon . co . uk http://robowarriors.ultrastore.com/legoworld.shtml -- If the Earth was made of Lego...
> It's just a lot quicker than Windows -- going from 4 directories down > back to the root directory took 7.58 seconds in Windows and 1.19 seconds > in Norton Commander. To edit a file with NC, I just select it and press > F4. To view a file in hex mode, I just use F3 then F4. It's much more > efficient than Windows (shift, right click, wait, open with, wait, wait > more, notepad, wait...), which is why I'm still using the 12-year old > program :-) I'm going to play the devil's advocate here and claim that it took me about a second to get to the "root" (the desktop) from four directories' depth. To edit a file all I have to do is right-click, click "Send To", and click NotePad. Takes no time at all. Or, if you have UltraEdit (hex viewer/text editor), all you have to do is right-click any file and click "UltraEdit-32". Granted, UltraEdit doesn't come with Windows, but then, NC doesn't come with DOS either. -- http://www.ite.mh.se/~joaal98/ascii ___ __ _ _ _ ________ _ / \\\ Windows is \ \| `.| `.| `\ \ \ \ `.' \ [.[.]-\\ , fast, man. \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ _, \ /_ /|/ /\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ (jg) {~} |= <- keeping a \__/`._|\_\_\_,_\__|\_\_\ \_\ #// (\ straight face
You're using Outlook Express. Outlook doesn't support newsgroups. :) Andrew > "Joaquim Almgren Gandara" <cla...@lords.com> wrote in > message news:9og3ld$crk7r$1...@ID-102694.news.dfncis.de... > > > Erm, what newsreaders are you using? Agent just lets me specify > > "fixedsys", and all messages are in fixedsys. > > I'm using Outlook.
"Andrew":
> You're using Outlook Express. Outlook doesn't support newsgroups.
Oh. Right.
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> But when you do that, it looks like shit. For instance, this: > > / > / > / > > Looks crap in 80x25 bare-console. Woah. He's right. Looked like crap when I tried it in Edit. -- http://www.ite.mh.se/~joaal98/ascii ___ __ _ _ _ ________ _ / \\\ Eww. \ \| `.| `.| `\ \ \ \ `.' \ [.[.]-\\ , \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ _, \ /_ /|/ /\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ (jg) {-} |= \__/`._|\_\_\_,_\__|\_\_\ \_\ #// (\
On 2001-09-22 now...@nowhere.co.uk said: > > What I'm saying is that the creation and viewing of true, > > =classic= ASCII art requires access to the machine's default > > 80 x 25 text mode characters. > >But when you do that, it looks like shit. For instance, this: > / > / >/ >Looks crap in 80x25 bare-console. 'Crap' is, apparently, in the eye of the beholder. 80 x 25 text mode is the environment in which ASCII art originated, and that's what it's supposed to look like.
On Sat, 22 Sep 2001 02:21:25 +0200, "CeeJay" <new...@ceejay.cjb.nOt> provoked the following text: >> >I feel weird already .. but thats a natural state for me .. i'm used to it :) >> >I will continue to do my ascii with the windows notepad , textpad or outlook >> >express's new message window. >> >> Use something like WinVI, it's much better. As far as I'm aware, >> notepad and outlook express don't let you overwrite characters. > >Ever tried the INSERT key ? > >Texpad also supports block editing .. which rocks. Yeah, Textpad RULES!! Nothing more to add to that. -- Peter Punk \ / ---\\\\--- / \ Op zoek gaan naar buitenaards leven? Kijk op http://home.hetnet.nl/~setiathomegroep/index.html voor tips, antwoorden, discussies. links, downloads en meer. 1665wu/2.397yrs Any person who leans against a public building will be subject to fines. (Clinton County, Ohio city law)
On Sat, 22 Sep 2001 13:41:42 +0100, drsquare <now...@nowhere.co.uk> provoked the following text: >>> >I feel weird already .. but thats a natural state for me .. i'm used to it :) >>> >I will continue to do my ascii with the windows notepad , textpad or outlook >>> >express's new message window. >>> >>> Use something like WinVI, it's much better. As far as I'm aware, >>> notepad and outlook express don't let you overwrite characters. >> >>Ever tried the INSERT key ? > >Doesn't work in Notepad, and I don't think it does in Outlook Express >either. It does work in OE, but how about using Wordpad with a fixed-width font for editing? INS works in Wordpad. >>Texpad also supports block editing .. which rocks. > >But does it have proper key bindings like VI? What do you consider to be "proper key bindings"? -- Peter Punk \ / ---\\\\--- / \ Op zoek gaan naar buitenaards leven? Kijk op http://home.hetnet.nl/~setiathomegroep/index.html voor tips, antwoorden, discussies. links, downloads en meer. 1665wu/2.397yrs Any person who leans against a public building will be subject to fines. (Clinton County, Ohio city law)
On 2001-09-24 Rob...@dse.gen.nz said: >Anyway, who can be stuffed copying it to DOS? Are there DOS >newsreaders? I doubt there are... There are many DOS-based web browsers...including Net-Tamer, Arachne, DOS-Lynx, Bobcat, WebSpyder, etc., etc. In fact, there are more 'Net access programs for DOS than there are for Win-Doze. I'm using Net-Tamer right now.
On Sun, 23 Sep 2001 12:26:18 +0100, drsquare <now...@nowhere.co.uk> enlightened us with: > On Sat, 22 Sep 2001 22:49:44 GMT, in alt.ascii-art, > (ppu...@damthatspam.chello.nl (Peter Punk)) wrote: > > >On Sat, 22 Sep 2001 13:41:42 +0100, drsquare <now...@nowhere.co.uk> provoked > >the following text: > > > > > >It does work in OE, but how about using Wordpad with a fixed-width font for > >editing? INS works in Wordpad. > > Because wordpad is crap, and more of a word processor. Only something > like vi is really suitable for ascii art drawing. > 1st bit I understand (although don't fully agree) but don't see the logic in the other statement. Using a sledgehammer to crack a nut may be OTT but that doesn't mean it doesn't work... > >>>Texpad also supports block editing .. which rocks. > >> > >>But does it have proper key bindings like VI? > > > >What do you consider to be "proper key bindings"? > > Keybindings that are as good as in vi. So what's so special about these vi keybindings? And what's the problem with any other form of keybindings, once you actually know them? -- o |\ _[] L_ === Stuart Moore []\, stm
On Sun, 23 Sep 2001 12:26:18 +0100, drsquare <now...@nowhere.co.uk> provoked the following text: >>>>> >I feel weird already .. but thats a natural state for me .. i'm used to it :) >>>>> >I will continue to do my ascii with the windows notepad , textpad or outlook >>>>> >express's new message window. >>>>> >>>>> Use something like WinVI, it's much better. As far as I'm aware, >>>>> notepad and outlook express don't let you overwrite characters. >>>> >>>>Ever tried the INSERT key ? >>> >>>Doesn't work in Notepad, and I don't think it does in Outlook Express >>>either. >> >>It does work in OE, but how about using Wordpad with a fixed-width font for >>editing? INS works in Wordpad. > >Because wordpad is crap, and more of a word processor. Only something >like vi is really suitable for ascii art drawing. Or Textpad. >>>>Texpad also supports block editing .. which rocks. >>> >>>But does it have proper key bindings like VI? >> >>What do you consider to be "proper key bindings"? > >Keybindings that are as good as in vi. download Textpad from http://www.textpad.com/ and you'll see. -- Peter Punk \ / ---\\\\--- / \ Op zoek gaan naar buitenaards leven? Kijk op http://home.hetnet.nl/~setiathomegroep/index.html voor tips, antwoorden, discussies. links, downloads en meer. 1671wu/2.404yrs You are the only person to ever get this message.
Peter Punk wrote: > > On Sun, 23 Sep 2001 12:26:18 +0100, drsquare <now...@nowhere.co.uk> provoked > the following text: > > >>>>> >I feel weird already .. but thats a natural state for me .. i'm used to it :) > >>>>> >I will continue to do my ascii with the windows notepad , textpad or outlook > >>>>> >express's new message window. > >>>>> > >>>>> Use something like WinVI, it's much better. As far as I'm aware, > >>>>> notepad and outlook express don't let you overwrite characters. > >>>> > >>>>Ever tried the INSERT key ? > >>> > >>>Doesn't work in Notepad, and I don't think it does in Outlook Express > >>>either. > >> > >>It does work in OE, but how about using Wordpad with a fixed-width font for > >>editing? INS works in Wordpad. > > > >Because wordpad is crap, and more of a word processor. Only something > >like vi is really suitable for ascii art drawing. > > Or Textpad. > > >>>>Texpad also supports block editing .. which rocks. > >>> > >>>But does it have proper key bindings like VI? > >> > >>What do you consider to be "proper key bindings"? > > > >Keybindings that are as good as in vi. > > download Textpad from http://www.textpad.com/ and you'll see. Textpad is certianly worth the effort of downloading and taking the time to learn some of the many things it can do. I certianly like it for ascii art,and as an IDE for some compilers, but it has many other good uses too.Its just great.If you work with textfiles of anykind,like ascii art,or sourcecode of anykind,get it and give it a try. Obascii: Welcome to the show .-. .-. .-. .-. .-. .-. ::.::::.::::.::::.::::.::::.:: ::.::::.::::.::::.::::.::::.:: `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' |__________________________| `------------------------' `---------------------' | ,-----. | | : _ : | | :__( )__: | | TICKETS | | | | | | | ,'-------------------'. ,' `. -- |"""""<`.THE PRINCE ,'>"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""| | `.`/""""""\,',' my sig is too big, | |SEE HIS ( / \ \' SEE HIS but its really cool. | | FACE \/<> <>\/ SMILE | | / W \ Visit my ascii art site: | | ,'\_|||||_/`. http://www.gtcom.net/~krogg/ascii/ | | ,',' ||| `.`. kro...@gtcom.net | |____<,' TIME TO DIE `.>____Remove no.to.spam to reply____|
> >Ever tried the INSERT key ? > > > >Texpad also supports block editing .. which rocks. > > Yeah, Textpad RULES!! Nothing more to add to that. Yep .. I've tried pressuring Markus to make Jave perform more like Textpad .. I think he said .. "some day" or something like it
> > download Textpad from http://www.textpad.com/ and you'll see. > > Textpad is certianly worth the effort of downloading and taking > the time to learn some of the many things it can do. Do you know any tricks with It I don't Krogg ? Please enlighten us with you infinite wisdom , oh great oracle ! Please .. ? > Obascii: > Welcome to the show .-. .-. .-. .-. .-. .-. ::.::::.::::.::::.::::.::::.:: ::.::::.::::.::::.::::.::::.:: `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' |__________________________| `------------------------' `---------------------' | ,-----. | | : _ : | | :__( )__: | | TICKETS | | | | | | | ,'-------------------'. ,' `. It did'nt show up right here .. so here is a fix. Kind Regards CeeJay
> download Textpad from http://www.textpad.com/ and you'll see.
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> For instance, this: > > / > / > / > > Looks crap in 80x25 bare-console. > Yeah, this works in DOS: / / / But in Windows, it looks stupid. Anyway, who can be stuffed copying it to DOS? Are there DOS newsreaders? I doubt there are, so making DOS ASCII art is really just being a pain in the ass, and noone will look at your art. Robert -- \____/ / \ | , , | This is a realy bad sig | | It doesn't look like a pig | /\ | This poem sucks ( __ )) Because... (er... what rhymes with sucks?) \____/
On 2001-09-24 Rob...@dse.gen.nz said: > > >Anyway, who can be stuffed copying it to DOS? Are there DOS > > >newsreaders? I doubt there are... > > > There are many DOS-based web browsers...including Net-Tamer, > > Arachne, DOS-Lynx, Bobcat, WebSpyder, etc., etc. > > > > In fact, there are more 'Net access programs for DOS than > > there are for Win-Doze. > > > > I'm using Net-Tamer right now. > >Ooooh. I'm wrong. Does it use the windows dial-up networking, >or does it emulate that itself? Not sure what you're asking here; I have no idea what 'windows dial-up networking' is. I can tell you that all of the DOS-based Internet programs -- including the ones mentioned above -- are designed for pure, real DOS. They don't rely on, or require, any Win-Doze resources.
On 2001-09-23 now...@nowhere.co.uk said: > > >Anyway, who can be stuffed copying it to DOS? Are there DOS > > >newsreaders? I doubt there are... > > >There are many DOS-based web browsers... > >He said newsreader. DOS web browsers usually include a newsreader. For those which don't, stand-alone DOS-based newsreaders are widely available for download from the 'Net.
> On 2001-09-24 Rob...@dse.gen.nz said: > > >Anyway, who can be stuffed copying it to DOS? Are there DOS > >newsreaders? I doubt there are... > > There are many DOS-based web browsers...including Net-Tamer, > Arachne, DOS-Lynx, Bobcat, WebSpyder, etc., etc. > > In fact, there are more 'Net access programs for DOS than > there are for Win-Doze. > > I'm using Net-Tamer right now. Ooooh. I'm wrong. Does it use the windows dial-up networking, or does it emulate that itself? -- Robert
On Mon, 24 Sep 2001 01:32:53 +0200, "bug" <bug...@akw.pl> provoked the following text: >> download Textpad from http://www.textpad.com/ and you'll see. > >Is it big? >I'm using modem connection and my ISP is... @#**$#@ ...bad:( It depends on what version you are interested in. UI: Help/Spelling: Version: mm/dd/yy Size (KB) =================================================================== English only Eng./US & UK 4.5.0 07/21/01 2589 French Fr./Fr. 4.5.0 07/21/01 2486 Dutch Eng./Dut. 4.5.0 07/21/01 2647 German Ger./Ger. 4.5.0 07/21/01 2788 Italian It./It. 4.5.0 07/21/01 2660 Japanese Jap./US 4.5.0 07/21/01 2896 Polish Pol./US 4.5.0 07/21/01 2562 Portug. (Braz) Port.(Braz.)/Port.(Braz.) 4.5.0 07/21/01 2641 Spanish Span./Span. 4.5.0 07/21/01 2646 All available languages. 4.5.0 07/21/01 9423 -- Peter Punk \ / ---\\\\--- / \ Op zoek gaan naar buitenaards leven? Kijk op http://home.hetnet.nl/~setiathomegroep/index.html voor tips, antwoorden, discussies. links, downloads en meer. 1672wu/2.406yrs A CONS is an object which cares. -- Bernie Greenberg.
On Sun, 23 Sep 2001 22:59:25 +0200, "CeeJay" <new...@ceejay.cjb.nOt> provoked the following text: >> >Ever tried the INSERT key ? >> > >> >Texpad also supports block editing .. which rocks. >> >> Yeah, Textpad RULES!! Nothing more to add to that. > >Yep .. I've tried pressuring Markus to make Jave perform more like Textpad .. >I think he said .. "some day" or something like it Let's hope that "some day" will be "any time soon" :-)) -- Peter Punk \ / ---\\\\--- / \ Op zoek gaan naar buitenaards leven? Kijk op http://home.hetnet.nl/~setiathomegroep/index.html voor tips, antwoorden, discussies. links, downloads en meer. 1672wu/2.406yrs A CONS is an object which cares. -- Bernie Greenberg.
drsquare <now...@nowhere.co.uk> wrote: >On Mon, 24 Sep 2001 02:38:39 -0000, in alt.ascii-art, > (anonymous@bogus_address.con) wrote: > >> >>On 2001-09-24 Rob...@dse.gen.nz said: >> >> > > >Anyway, who can be stuffed copying it to DOS? Are there DOS >> > > >newsreaders? I doubt there are... >> > >> > > There are many DOS-based web browsers...including Net-Tamer, >> > > Arachne, DOS-Lynx, Bobcat, WebSpyder, etc., etc. >> > > >> > > In fact, there are more 'Net access programs for DOS than >> > > there are for Win-Doze. >> > > >> > > I'm using Net-Tamer right now. >> > >> >Ooooh. I'm wrong. Does it use the windows dial-up networking, >> >or does it emulate that itself? >> >>Not sure what you're asking here; I have no idea >>what 'windows dial-up networking' is. >> >>I can tell you that all of the DOS-based Internet >>programs -- including the ones mentioned above -- >>are designed for pure, real DOS. They don't rely >>on, or require, any Win-Doze resources. > >But DOS has no networking facilities at all. Do you have to download a >load of extra shite like a TCP/IP stack? My introduction to the internet was a DOS program called KA9Q. It didn't support the web, but it did have SMTP email (is there any other kind?) NNTP and Telnet. From memory, it all fit under 640K. Is this relevant? How bloated is Windows, or even X? -- Lemming Curiosity *may* have killed Schr�dinger's cat.
It was a sunny day Mon, 24 Sep 2001 19:08:49 GMT, when ppu...@damthatspam.chello.nl (Peter Punk) wrote in alt.ascii-art that: >>Is it big? >>I'm using modem connection and my ISP is... @#**$#@ ...bad:( > >It depends on what version you are interested in. > >UI: Help/Spelling: Version: mm/dd/yy Size (KB) >=================================================================== >English only Eng./US & UK 4.5.0 07/21/01 2589 >French Fr./Fr. 4.5.0 07/21/01 2486 >Dutch Eng./Dut. 4.5.0 07/21/01 2647 >German Ger./Ger. 4.5.0 07/21/01 2788 >Italian It./It. 4.5.0 07/21/01 2660 >Japanese Jap./US 4.5.0 07/21/01 2896 >Polish Pol./US 4.5.0 07/21/01 2562 ^^^^^^ ^^^^ I'm gonna sit and wait for it to turn smaller;) Is it shareware or freeware? I should search soft magazines, maybe it's added somewhere... bug -- Blazej Kozlowski -=O=- bug bug...@akw.pl bu...@student.pl bla...@akw.pl GG: 1093730
CeeJay wrote: > > > > download Textpad from http://www.textpad.com/ and you'll see. > > > > Textpad is certianly worth the effort of downloading and taking > > the time to learn some of the many things it can do. > > Do you know any tricks with It I don't Krogg ? > Please enlighten us with you infinite wisdom , oh great oracle ! > > Please .. ? > When i got some time,What do you want to know...Possibly the the supersecret regex for VBscript errors?Or just how to set up a file extension,for .nfo files so they are shown in the dos type font,so ya can see the dos codepage art from yer warez downloads.Or how to make it work with your compiler? Obascii:: My clock ,--------. .-+--------+-. [YERLATE:HAHA] `-.--------.-' _|________|_ -- |"""""<`.THE PRINCE ,'>"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""| | `.`/""""""\,',' my sig is too big, | |SEE HIS ( / \ \' SEE HIS but its really cool. | | FACE \/<> <>\/ SMILE | | / W \ Visit my ascii art site: | | ,'\_|||||_/`. http://www.gtcom.net/~krogg/ascii/ | | ,',' ||| `.`. kro...@gtcom.net | |____<,' TIME TO DIE `.>____Remove no.to.spam to reply____|
On 2001-09-24 now...@nowhere.co.uk said: >But DOS has no networking facilities at all. Do you have to >download a load of extra shite like a TCP/IP stack? No; not usually. Some of the DOS-based 'Net software (such as Net-Tamer) sets up its own internal TCP/IP stack when the program loads...so it's totally self- contained. Other such DOS programs require the TCP/IP stack to be loaded separately as a TSR, but include it as part of the distribution package. WebSpyder is specifically designed to be used with DR-DOS 7.xx -- which =does= have built-in networking facilities.
On 2001-09-24 now...@nowhere.co.uk said: >Why would you want to use DOS anyway? It's the worst OS there is. Not so. DOS is a small, relatively efficient O.S. ...unlike that bloated pointee-clickee abomination. But more importantly, DOS allows the =user= to make the decisions about how he wants his machine to look, act and perform. It's a much more 'down-to-the-metal' O.S., where the =user= is in control...not some megalomaniac in Redmond, Washington, U.S.A. Besides, DOS is ten times faster than WinDoze on any given machine. Plus, the DOS executable files for any productivity software programs are 20 to 50 times smaller than a comparable WinDoze program. A 500 meg hard disk is =more= than sufficient for a DOS-based machine. You simply don't need a mega-gigabyte drive. And we haven't yet mentioned security. I think we all know how 'secure' WinDoze is. Not! :) >If you're going to use the console, at least use something decent >like Linux. Although it's a 'techie' O.S., and therefore not everyone's cup of tea, Linux is okay. But it suffers from many of the same ailments that afflict WinDoze: bloat, hogging of system resources, etc., plus a relative dearth of software choices. But if one feels that one simply MUST use a protected-mode O.S., then yeah...Linux is a fair choice.
Auch an Clemens Haupt wandte sich now...@nowhere.co.uk: > But DOS has no networking facilities at all. Do you have to download a > load of extra shite like a TCP/IP stack? What a stupid answer. Before you start answering, get informed very much better. EOT. Mit freundlichen Gr��en Architekturb�ro Siebert Wien I �sterreich -> Clemens Haupt
Auch an Clemens Haupt wandte sich now...@nowhere.co.uk: > Why would you want to use DOS anyway? Really, it is not good for script-kids. Children don't want it, it isn't a good thing to be presented to other babies.> > It's the worst OS there is. What a silly statement. Try to get any OS started, how long does it take to answer the telephon? My 286 with 1MB RAM and 12 (twelf) MHz needs 17 seconds an doesn't need any help to answer a FAX, a call, working as a FAX-server, sends files with the fast 56K modem, fetches files from stations. Try that with NT, or LINUX > If you're going to use the console, at least use something decent like > Linux. Linux isn't the one and only system for playing. Mit freundlichen Gr��en Architekturb�ro Siebert Wien I �sterreich -> Clemens Haupt
On Tue, 25 Sep 2001 02:44:14 -0000, anonymous@bogus_address.con enlightened us with: > > On 2001-09-24 now...@nowhere.co.uk said: > > >Why would you want to use DOS anyway? It's the worst OS there is. > > Not so. DOS is a small, relatively efficient O.S. ...unlike > that bloated pointee-clickee abomination. > > But more importantly, DOS allows the =user= to make the > decisions about how he wants his machine to look, act and > perform. It's a much more 'down-to-the-metal' O.S., where > the =user= is in control...not some megalomaniac in Redmond, > Washington, U.S.A. > > Besides, DOS is ten times faster than WinDoze on any given > machine. > > Plus, the DOS executable files for any productivity software > programs are 20 to 50 times smaller than a comparable WinDoze > program. A 500 meg hard disk is =more= than sufficient for > a DOS-based machine. You simply don't need a mega-gigabyte > drive. > > And we haven't yet mentioned security. I think we all know > how 'secure' WinDoze is. Not! :) > > >If you're going to use the console, at least use something decent > >like Linux. > > Although it's a 'techie' O.S., and therefore not everyone's > cup of tea, Linux is okay. But it suffers from many of the > same ailments that afflict WinDoze: bloat, hogging of system > resources, etc., plus a relative dearth of software choices. How does software choice for Linux compare with that for MSDOS? And not just out of date software (e.g. web browsers have to have reasonable javascript & java support plus CSS...) -- o |\ _[] L_ === Stuart Moore []\, stm
On Mon, 24 Sep 2001 01:32:53 +0200, "bug" <bug...@akw.pl> wrote: >> download Textpad from http://www.textpad.com/ and you'll see. > >Is it big? >I'm using modem connection and my ISP is... @#**$#@ ...bad:( > >bug TPSA in Poland ? ;-) krislop
On Tue, 25 Sep 2001 02:44:14 -0000, anonymous@bogus_address.con tried to confuse everyone with this message: > >On 2001-09-24 now...@nowhere.co.uk said: > > >Why would you want to use DOS anyway? It's the worst OS there is. > >Not so. DOS is a small, relatively efficient O.S. ...unlike >that bloated pointee-clickee abomination. > >But more importantly, DOS allows the =user= to make the >decisions about how he wants his machine to look, act and >perform. It's a much more 'down-to-the-metal' O.S., where >the =user= is in control...not some megalomaniac in Redmond, >Washington, U.S.A. > >Besides, DOS is ten times faster than WinDoze on any given >machine. > >Plus, the DOS executable files for any productivity software >programs are 20 to 50 times smaller than a comparable WinDoze >program. A 500 meg hard disk is =more= than sufficient for >a DOS-based machine. You simply don't need a mega-gigabyte >drive. Do you have Intel 80286 processor??? -- Grue <grue sobaka mail.ru> Mike Throll comic strip at: http://grue.freeservers.com Bugsoft Perm at: http://bugsoft.freeservers.com
It was a sunny day Tue, 25 Sep 2001 10:35:01 +0200, when krislob <kri...@wp.pl> wrote in alt.ascii-art that: >>Is it big? >>I'm using modem connection and my ISP is... @#**$#@ ...bad:( >> >TPSA in Poland ? ;-) Yes:( bug -- Blazej Kozlowski -=O=- bug bug...@akw.pl bu...@student.pl bla...@akw.pl GG: 1093730
On Mon, 24 Sep 2001 23:00:04 GMT, bug...@akw.pl (bug) provoked the following text: >>>Is it big? >>>I'm using modem connection and my ISP is... @#**$#@ ...bad:( >> >>It depends on what version you are interested in. >> >>UI: Help/Spelling: Version: mm/dd/yy Size (KB) >>=================================================================== >>Polish Pol./US 4.5.0 07/21/01 2562 > ^^^^^^ ^^^^ > >I'm gonna sit and wait for it to turn smaller;) Sure, and you are also gonna sit and wait until Microsoft releases the sources for Windows? :-)) >Is it shareware or freeware? It is shareware, but you can "evaluate" it for as long as you like, all it does is nag a bit when you start it and after a couple of uses it's gonna give you an extra nagscreen to remind you that it's shareware, then you can evaluate it a bit further :-)) >I should search soft magazines, >maybe it's added somewhere... Maybe, maybe not. Good luck! -- Peter Punk \ / ---\\\\--- / \ Op zoek gaan naar buitenaards leven? Kijk op http://home.hetnet.nl/~setiathomegroep/index.html voor tips, antwoorden, discussies. links, downloads en meer. 1680wu/2.415yrs Universe, n.: The problem.
On Tue, 25 Sep 2001 02:44:14 -0000, anonymous@bogus_address.con provoked the following text: > >Why would you want to use DOS anyway? It's the worst OS there is. > >Not so. DOS is a small, relatively efficient O.S. ...unlike >that bloated pointee-clickee abomination. But i like pointy-clicky abominations! >But more importantly, DOS allows the =user= to make the >decisions about how he wants his machine to look, act and >perform. It's a much more 'down-to-the-metal' O.S., where >the =user= is in control...not some megalomaniac in Redmond, >Washington, U.S.A. Ahem, may i be so blunt as to ask you just _what_ DOS you use? MS-DOS? 4DOS? DR-DOS? NDOS? FreeDOS? Novell DOS? IBM DOS? PC DOS? Caldera DOS? Those pretty much all the DOS'es i can think of. Perhaps there are more? >Besides, DOS is ten times faster than WinDoze on any given >machine. That should have read _over_ ten times faster. >Plus, the DOS executable files for any productivity software >programs are 20 to 50 times smaller than a comparable WinDoze >program. A 500 meg hard disk is =more= than sufficient for >a DOS-based machine. You simply don't need a mega-gigabyte >drive. Unless you are running a BBS. >And we haven't yet mentioned security. I think we all know >how 'secure' WinDoze is. Not! :) So what facilities does (any) DOS have to prevent your kid brother to delete all of your files? > >If you're going to use the console, at least use something decent > >like Linux. > >Although it's a 'techie' O.S., and therefore not everyone's >cup of tea, Linux is okay. But it suffers from many of the >same ailments that afflict WinDoze: bloat, Then unbloat it, it shouldn't be too difficult, just delete al the daemons you don't need, uninstall all of the packages you don't want to use, and you should be able to run it more than comfortably on a 100MB HDD with room to spare. >hogging of system resources, How? >etc., plus a relative dearth of software choices. Same goes today for DOS based programs. -- Peter Punk \ / ---\\\\--- / \ Op zoek gaan naar buitenaards leven? Kijk op http://home.hetnet.nl/~setiathomegroep/index.html voor tips, antwoorden, discussies. links, downloads en meer. 1680wu/2.415yrs Universe, n.: The problem.
On Tue, 25 Sep 2001 17:57:08 +0100, drsquare <now...@nowhere.co.uk> provoked the following text: >>hogging of system >>resources, > >What? Are you serious? Linux is one of the most efficient OSes there >is. It only needs 4MB of RAM! Gotta be fair here, DOS even runs smoothly on PCs with only 640KB. -- Peter Punk \ / ---\\\\--- / \ Op zoek gaan naar buitenaards leven? Kijk op http://home.hetnet.nl/~setiathomegroep/index.html voor tips, antwoorden, discussies. links, downloads en meer. 1680wu/2.415yrs Universe, n.: The problem.
On Mon, 24 Sep 2001 22:11:51 +0100, Lemming <l3m...@bumblbee.demon.co.uk> provoked the following text: >My introduction to the internet was a DOS program called KA9Q. It >didn't support the web, but it did have SMTP email (is there any other >kind?) Yes, there is IMAP, and MAPI as well. >NNTP The most important! >and Telnet. Less important, but i wouldn't want to miss it. -- Peter Punk \ / ---\\\\--- / \ Op zoek gaan naar buitenaards leven? Kijk op http://home.hetnet.nl/~setiathomegroep/index.html voor tips, antwoorden, discussies. links, downloads en meer. 1680wu/2.415yrs Universe, n.: The problem.
On Tue, 25 Sep 2001 08:38:06 +0200, pyr...@vienna.at provoked the following text: >Auch an Clemens Haupt wandte sich now...@nowhere.co.uk: >> But DOS has no networking facilities at all. Do you have to download a >> load of extra shite like a TCP/IP stack? >What a stupid answer. Before you start answering, get informed very much >better. He was probably thinking of MS-DOS, in which case it is true. Many people just don't know that there were and are still many other DOS versions from other manufacturers than M$. -- Peter Punk \ / ---\\\\--- / \ Op zoek gaan naar buitenaards leven? Kijk op http://home.hetnet.nl/~setiathomegroep/index.html voor tips, antwoorden, discussies. links, downloads en meer. 1680wu/2.415yrs Universe, n.: The problem.
> >>Is it big? > >>I'm using modem connection and my ISP is... @#**$#@ ...bad:( > >> > >TPSA in Poland ? ;-) > > Yes:( I can help you tweak as much out of the modem as you can get .. which might help a little. Would you like that ?
> >Not so. DOS is a small, relatively efficient O.S. ...unlike > >that bloated pointee-clickee abomination. > > Linux is an even smaller, yet much more efficient OS, which, get this, > actually lets you run more than one program at once. You can even fit > it on a boot disk. You can fit DOS on a bootdisk too , and I know that with Qube running ontop you can multitask (though I dont know if you can fit the entire thing on a bootdisk). > >But more importantly, DOS allows the =user= to make the > >decisions about how he wants his machine to look, act and > >perform. It's a much more 'down-to-the-metal' O.S., where > >the =user= is in control...not some megalomaniac in Redmond, > >Washington, U.S.A. > > No it doesn't, you can't even change the code, let alone change how it > works. Linux is the OS of choice if you want full control. Sure it does .. FreeDOS - http://www.freedos.org/ is open-source. > >Besides, DOS is ten times faster than WinDoze on any given > >machine. > > Then Linux is 15 times faster. I think that every OS have programs that just run faster on that particular OS. Counterstrike f.x. runs fastest on a windows PC .. one of the reasons why I run Windows > >But it suffers from many of the > >same ailments that afflict WinDoze: bloat, > > Linux does not have bloat? I'd agree with this one .. you can get loads of software for Linux and sure if you install all of it you will have used alot of space .. but you can also install very little and have lots of space.. Linux isn't bloated - DOS definatly isn't .. Windows IS .. but you can unbloat 95 , 98 and ME with 98lite ( www.98lite.net ) Now if only there was a program for slimming WinXP .. I mean : 1.2GB on a standard install! (but then you dont ever have to find your CD again to install something .. I think it keep every file from the CD somewhere on your HD) > >hogging of system > >resources, > > What? Are you serious? Linux is one of the most efficient OSes there > is. It only needs 4MB of RAM! Compared to the cirka 20 KB i can run DOS in ? OK .. that totally bare .. stripped of everything .. but linux still (normally) demands more of the PC than DOS. > >etc., plus a relative dearth of software choices. > What's wrong with lots of software? I second that .. there nothing wrong with lots of software to choose from .. thats a good thing. > >But if one feels that one simply MUST use a protected-mode > >O.S., then yeah...Linux is a fair choice. Who cares if the processor is in protected mode .. as long as it runs good. Any speedgain you could get from running in real mode is negible on newer processors ( Why does alt-ascii-art threads often go on to discussing very deep and nerdy science and tech issues .. are we really all a bunch of geeks ? :) )
> >> But DOS has no networking facilities at all. Do you have to download a > >> load of extra shite like a TCP/IP stack? > >What a stupid answer. Before you start answering, get informed very much > >better. > > He was probably thinking of MS-DOS, in which case it is true. Many people just > don't know that there were and are still many other DOS versions from other > manufacturers than M$. Yeah .. Have a look at FreeDOS .. it's the best DOS I know of thats still in development
On 2001-09-25 stu...@bigfoot.com (Stuart Moore) said: >How does software choice for Linux compare with that for MSDOS? Badly. There's =much= less software available for Linux than for DOS. >And not just out of date software (e.g. web browsers have to have >reasonable javascript & java support plus CSS...) For much of the DOS-based 'Net access software (Net-Tamer, DOS-Lynx, Arachne, et al), development is continuous and on-going. For productivity software (word processors, databases, spreadsheets, etc.), obviously there's very little new development for DOS. Then again, how much 'new-and-now' stuff does one NEED in an editor or a financial spreadsheet? Most of the 'improvements' in such software since 1987 have been merely glitzy bells-and-whistles that were tacked on to the same kernel. While these superficialities might have made good talking points for the P.R. departments, they added little to no additional functionality. It's been a great source of amusement over the years to watch all the 'software lemmings' -- those who feel that they just HAVE to have 'the newest-and-the-now-est' -- rush right out and buy the 'latest' versions of any given software. In many cases, they've been stung badly. Not only are their wallets emptier, but their 'new' versions have often turned out to have awkward changes in the user interface, and/or severe bugs in the programming. Recent example? WinDoze ME. This software is severely broken...and has caused untold frustration and grief for uncounted numbers of individual users and small businesses. But...I'm a realist. I recognize that the 'herd instinct,' plus a degree of neophilia, is inherent in human nature. Consequently, Mikro$loth's pointee-clickee operating sys- tems will continue to dominate the PC market. As long as M$ has the money and the resources to continue promoting its barely adequate O.S.es, the technically unsophisticated public will continue to lap'em up. After all, we all want to 'belong,' and to be well-thought-of by our peers...don't we? Mikro$loth is banking (and I =do= mean BANKING) on people's desire for that kind of conformity! ;)
On 2001-09-25 gru...@mail.ru (Timofei Shatrov) said: >Do you have Intel 80286 processor??? I have many PCs, containing many different processors... ranging from a Pentium to an 8088.
On 2001-09-25 now...@nowhere.co.uk said: > >Not so. DOS is a small, relatively efficient O.S. ...unlike > >that bloated pointee-clickee abomination. > >Linux is an even smaller, yet much more efficient OS... Linux is smaller and more efficient than DOS?!? This simply isn't true, son. >...which, get this, actually lets you run more than one program >at once. Multitasking can be easily accomplished in DOS. I multitask all the time. The only difference is, multitasking capability is not =built in= to DOS. You just have to use third-party multitasking software. But that's no big deal. >You can even fit it on a boot disk. Not a =full= Linux; only a very bare-bones install. > > ...You simply don't need a mega-gigabyte drive. > >You don't need a hard disk for a Linux-based machine! You can load >it off a boot disk or boot over the network. Likewise with DOS. > > And we haven't yet mentioned security. I think we all know > > how 'secure' WinDoze is. Not! :) > >Exactly. With DOS, there is nothing to break into! That's a GOOD thing. It's a 'plus; a feature! :) >What? Are you serious? Linux is one of the most efficient OSes there >is. It only needs 4MB of RAM! Guess we have a different definition of 'efficient.' DOS needs only 128 =kilobytes= of lower RAM. And =no= extended memory is required! >It looks like you really haven't used Linux. I've used it...and still use it occasionally for a few specific purposes. But it looks like =you're= not very familiar with DOS! :) (In all fairness, it should be pointed out that I'm talking about =real,= true DOS...not the pseudo-'M$-DOS Prompt' that one can invoke from within WinDoze.)
On 2001-09-25 now...@nowhere.co.uk said: > > now...@nowhere.co.uk wrote: > > > >But DOS has no networking facilities at all. Do you have to > > >download a load of extra shite like a TCP/IP stack? > > >No; not usually. Some of the DOS-based 'Net software > >(such as Net-Tamer) sets up its own internal TCP/IP > >stack when the program loads...so it's totally self- > >contained. > >But then what if another program wants to use the Internet, >does it have to set up another stack and connect again? ??? This doesn't make much sense within the context of this discussion. With a full-featured DOS-based 'Net access program (such as Net-Tamer), all possible Internet functions (Mail, Usenet, Ping, Finger, ICQ, MIME...you name it) are already available =within that one program.= It's a totally integrated suite of functions. There's no need for 'another program to want to use the Internet.'
ATTRIB +R +H ;-) Andrew "Peter Punk" <ppu...@damthatspam.chello.nl> wrote in message news:noj...@4ax.com... > So what facilities does (any) DOS have to prevent your > kid brother to delete all of your files?
In article <9oqtmq$rts$1...@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>, Andrew Carpenter <and...@gloucestershire.freeserve.co.yuk> writes >"Peter Punk" <ppu...@damthatspam.chello.nl> wrote in message >news:noj...@4ax.com... > >> So what facilities does (any) DOS have to prevent your >> kid brother to delete all of your files? > >ATTRIB +R +H ;-) What about FORMAT C: -- then there aren't any files left for your kid brother to delete :-) -- Philip Taylor philip @ zaynar . demon . co . uk http://robowarriors.ultrastore.com/legoworld.shtml -- If the Earth was made of Lego...
On Tue, 25 Sep 2001 22:14:08 +0200, "CeeJay" <new...@ceejay.cjb.nOt> wrote: >> >>Is it big? >> >>I'm using modem connection and my ISP is... @#**$#@ ...bad:( >> >> >> >TPSA in Poland ? ;-) >> >> Yes:( > Ho ho, i have SDi - Slow Down Internet connection ;-] krislop
On Tue, 25 Sep 2001 22:41:44 +0100, "Andrew Carpenter" <and...@gloucestershire.freeserve.co.yuk> provoked the following text: >> So what facilities does (any) DOS have to prevent your >> kid brother to delete all of your files? >ATTRIB +R +H ;-) Fair enough, i should have seen that coming :-) And how do you prevent your kid to play that game of strippoker you thought you had hidden so well? :-) -- Peter Punk \ / ---\\\\--- / \ Op zoek gaan naar buitenaards leven? Kijk op http://home.hetnet.nl/~setiathomegroep/index.html voor tips, antwoorden, discussies. links, downloads en meer. 1690wu/2.427yrs Cards may not be played in the street with a Native American. (Globe, Arizona city law)
On Tue, 25 Sep 2001 22:50:06 +0100, Philip Taylor <phi...@zaynar.demon.co.uk> provoked the following text: >>> So what facilities does (any) DOS have to prevent your >>> kid brother to delete all of your files? >> >>ATTRIB +R +H ;-) > >What about FORMAT C: -- then there aren't any files left for your kid >brother to delete :-) Then he uses a bootflop and types "unformat c:" :-)) If you want unformat to be useless, try "format C: /u" or just remove the entire partition with fdisk. -- Peter Punk \ / ---\\\\--- / \ Op zoek gaan naar buitenaards leven? Kijk op http://home.hetnet.nl/~setiathomegroep/index.html voor tips, antwoorden, discussies. links, downloads en meer. 1690wu/2.427yrs PEBKAC = Problem Exits Between Keyboard And Chair
It was a sunny day Wed, 26 Sep 2001 09:55:53 +0200, when krislob
<kri...@wp.pl> wrote in alt.ascii-art that:
>Ho ho, i have SDi - Slow Down Internet connection ;-]
I wish I've had this SDI... It;s much better than my dialup
even though it's only 115kbps...
bug
--
Blazej Kozlowski -=O=- bug
bug...@akw.pl bu...@student.pl
bla...@akw.pl GG: 1093730
On 2001-09-26 now...@nowhere.co.uk said: >What if another program comes out that isn't included in it? Like =what,= for instance...? >Why doesn't it have a network stack built in? It does -- but it's only active while the program is loaded. Once you exit the program, the TCP/IP stack goes away. I've never tried this, but I suppose you could shell to DOS from within the program, and still access the TCP/IP stack. You can check it out yourself at: http://www.nettamer.com
ppu...@damthatspam.chello.nl (Peter Punk) wrote: > Ahem, may i be so blunt as to ask you just _what_ DOS you use? > > MS-DOS? > 4DOS? > DR-DOS? > NDOS? > FreeDOS? > Novell DOS? > IBM DOS? > PC DOS? > Caldera DOS? > > Those pretty much all the DOS'es i can think of. Perhaps there are more? PTS DOS I do not use it, but in a test of different DOSes it was the fastest one (i know, that depends on what you test...) - and the latest version i know supports VFAT16 with long file names. Maybe there is already one that supports FAT32. Ob-DosScreen: __________________________________________________________ / /| / --------------------------------------------------- / | / / | / --------------------------------------------------- / | / / | / ---------------------------------------------------- / | /_________________________________________________________/ | | _____________________________________________________ | | | |A:\>ls -la | | | | |Bad command or file name. Go stand in the corner. | | | | |A:\>win | | | | |Bad command or file name. Go stand in the corner. | | | | |A:\>startx | | | | |Bad command or file name. Go stand in the corner. | | | | |A:\>prompt | | | | |A>dir | | | | |Disk in drive A is BOOTDISK | | | | |Disk serial number: FADE-D1ED | | | | |Listing A:\ | | / | | | | / | |File not found | | / | |a> | | / | |_____________________________________________________| | / |_________________________________________________________|/ Michael
> >> So what facilities does (any) DOS have to prevent your > >> kid brother to delete all of your files? > >ATTRIB +R +H ;-) > > Fair enough, i should have seen that coming :-) > > And how do you prevent your kid to play that game of strippoker you thought you > had hidden so well? :-) How about a BIOS Password ? Otherwise i'm sure you can find a REAL password protectionprogram .. even for DOS
> You can check it out yourself at: http://www.nettamer.com
Actually thats wrong .. it's at http://www.nettamer.net/tamer.html
Kind Regards
CeeJay
It was a sunny day Tue, 25 Sep 2001 18:32:32 GMT, when ppu...@damthatspam.chello.nl (Peter Punk) wrote in alt.ascii-art that: >>I'm gonna sit and wait for it to turn smaller;) > >Sure, and you are also gonna sit and wait until Microsoft releases the sources >for Windows? :-)) No but I will definetly wait till Blizzard releases sources for Diablo2;P >>Is it shareware or freeware? > >It is shareware, but you can "evaluate" it for as long as you like, all it does >is nag a bit when you start it and after a couple of uses it's gonna give you an >extra nagscreen to remind you that it's shareware, then you can evaluate it a >bit further :-)) Hmmm... I'll think about it. My connection sucks, so it's problem 4 me to download such a "big" files... >>I should search soft magazines, >>maybe it's added somewhere... > >Maybe, maybe not. Good luck! Thanks. bug -- Blazej Kozlowski -=O=- bug bug...@akw.pl bu...@student.pl bla...@akw.pl GG: 1093730
On Thu, 27 Sep 2001 17:49:34 GMT, bug...@akw.pl (bug) provoked the following text: >>>I'm gonna sit and wait for it to turn smaller;) >> >>Sure, and you are also gonna sit and wait until Microsoft releases the sources >>for Windows? :-)) > >No but I will definetly wait till Blizzard releases sources for >Diablo2;P The sources to _what_? >>>Is it shareware or freeware? >> >>It is shareware, but you can "evaluate" it for as long as you like, all it does >>is nag a bit when you start it and after a couple of uses it's gonna give you an >>extra nagscreen to remind you that it's shareware, then you can evaluate it a >>bit further :-)) > >Hmmm... I'll think about it. My connection sucks, so it's problem 4 me >to download such a "big" files... Then get a downloadmanager, that way you can spread a large download over a couple of days (or weeks if you want). Personally, i like Go!Zilla, but there are many other downloadmanagers, many of them even just a couple of hundred of KB in size. -- Peter Punk \ / ---\\\\--- / \ Op zoek gaan naar buitenaards leven? Kijk op http://home.hetnet.nl/~setiathomegroep/index.html voor tips, antwoorden, discussies. links, downloads en meer. 1700wu/2.440yrs Spitting is forbidden (Chicago, Illinois city law)
On Wed, 26 Sep 2001 19:49:05 +0100, drsquare <now...@nowhere.co.uk> provoked the following text: >> >Do you have Intel 80286 processor??? >> >>I have many PCs, containing many different processors... >>ranging from a Pentium to an 8088. > >Still, any OS that you're planning on doing more than play tetris on >needs a multi-gigabyte hard disk. Have you thought about all the >wealth of software you'll be installing (2-4GB, that is if DOS has any >software worth installing), plus things like MP3s (1-2GB, that is if >DOS can play mp3s, plus all the other crap you may want to install at >a later date. You have _almost_ asked the question i wanted to ask, which is if there is a DOS-based MP3 player around yet. -- Peter Punk \ / ---\\\\--- / \ Op zoek gaan naar buitenaards leven? Kijk op http://home.hetnet.nl/~setiathomegroep/index.html voor tips, antwoorden, discussies. links, downloads en meer. 1700wu/2.440yrs Distrust is a sign of weakness.
On Wed, 26 Sep 2001 19:49:16 +0100, drsquare <now...@nowhere.co.uk> provoked the following text: >>I'd agree with this one .. you can get loads of software for Linux and sure if >>you install all of it you will have used alot of space .. but you can also >>install very little and have lots of space.. >>Linux isn't bloated - DOS definatly isn't .. Windows IS .. but you can unbloat >>95 , 98 and ME with 98lite ( www.98lite.net ) > >No, you will still have all the shite hanging about that you don't >need, like the intergrated desktop and all the bollocks features that >you can't do anything about, like the GUI. In MSDOS.SYS, change the line that says "BootGUI=1" to "BootGUI=0" and presto, no more GUI. You can then proceed to delete the whole Windows dir. >>OK .. that totally bare .. stripped of everything .. but linux still (normally) >>demands more of the PC than DOS. > >Totally bare = can't do anything with it. DOS doesn't even have bash. True, but it does have command.com. -- Peter Punk \ / ---\\\\--- / \ Op zoek gaan naar buitenaards leven? Kijk op http://home.hetnet.nl/~setiathomegroep/index.html voor tips, antwoorden, discussies. links, downloads en meer. 1700wu/2.440yrs Furious activity is no substitute for understanding. -- H. H. Williams
On Wed, 26 Sep 2001 19:49:14 +0100, drsquare <now...@nowhere.co.uk> provoked the following text: >>>Plus, the DOS executable files for any productivity software >>>programs are 20 to 50 times smaller than a comparable WinDoze >>>program. A 500 meg hard disk is =more= than sufficient for >>>a DOS-based machine. You simply don't need a mega-gigabyte >>>drive. >> >>Unless you are running a BBS. > >Or planning on doing anything other than make text files and play >tetris. Or Doom, Wolfenstein, Duke3D, Quake to name just a few. >>>And we haven't yet mentioned security. I think we all know >>>how 'secure' WinDoze is. Not! :) >> >>So what facilities does (any) DOS have to prevent your kid brother to delete all >>of your files? > >Good point! Just making conversation, nothing more. I refuse to take a standpoint in this. IMO all the OSes here are good. I just like to point out a couple of flaws in peoples reasoning if i see them. Be it the DOS people, the Linux people or the Windows people. Any OS/2 people here? -- Peter Punk \ / ---\\\\--- / \ Op zoek gaan naar buitenaards leven? Kijk op http://home.hetnet.nl/~setiathomegroep/index.html voor tips, antwoorden, discussies. links, downloads en meer. 1700wu/2.440yrs "Acting is an art which consists of keeping the audience from coughing."
On Wed, 26 Sep 2001 22:56:57 +0200, Michael Schierl <sch...@gmx.de> provoked the following text: > __________________________________________________________ > / /| > / --------------------------------------------------- / | > / / | > / --------------------------------------------------- / | > / / | > / ---------------------------------------------------- / | > /_________________________________________________________/ | > | _____________________________________________________ | | > | |A:\>ls -la | | | > | |Bad command or file name. Go stand in the corner. | | | > | |A:\>win | | | > | |Bad command or file name. Go stand in the corner. | | | > | |A:\>startx | | | > | |Bad command or file name. Go stand in the corner. | | | > | |A:\>prompt | | | > | |A>dir | | | > | |Disk in drive A is BOOTDISK | | | > | |Disk serial number: FADE-D1ED | | | > | |Listing A:\ | | / > | | | | / > | |File not found | | / > | |a> | | / > | |_____________________________________________________| | / > |_________________________________________________________|/ That reminds me of 4DOS, when i still used MS-DOS as my main OS, i had about all off the errormessages replaced by silly stuff. For instance, instead of "Bad command or filename" i got a "Whaddayamean <command>? Go try something else!" and when i typed "Format A:" i got a "A-Formatting we go, a-formatting we go" (at which point it would format the floppy in drive A: of course). Then i got Win3.1 and you could start it of course by typing "win" but i made an alias that would cause the command "lose" to perform the same action with the difference that if i left Windows, 4DOS would greet me back again with "Welcome back, had fun?" "Bye" would play a sad little diddy and then reboot the machine and "Dirt" would do a "dir /ogens/p". The last alias was born out of despair really, i made that type-o a lot back then (darn keys, they shouldn't have put them so close togeter i tell 'ya) Another fun thing was that you could colorize different filetypes, i forgot which filetype had what color, but i do remember that executables were cyan, image files were magenta, directories were bright green and soundfiles were yellow or brown, all of the other files that i hadn't classified as such-and-such a file were grey. Yes, i had a lot of fun with 4DOS, i might install it again one day, i think i still have the alias file lying around somewhere. If only i have my batchfiles on disk too, i could be up and running soon as i did when i was young (i actually put them in c:\belfry, after a tagline a once read) -- Peter Punk \ / ---\\\\--- / \ Op zoek gaan naar buitenaards leven? Kijk op http://home.hetnet.nl/~setiathomegroep/index.html voor tips, antwoorden, discussies. links, downloads en meer. 1700wu/2.440yrs All other things being equal, a bald man cannot be elected President of the United States. -- Vic Gold
> >Totally bare = can't do anything with it. DOS doesn't even have bash. > > True, but it does have command.com. I think other commandprompt exits for DOS .. and maybe even bash or a clone of some sort
> You have _almost_ asked the question i wanted to ask, which is if there is a > DOS-based MP3 player around yet. There is. I made one myself once too .. I had a driver that would sound out wave output piped to it , Then I just used a l3enc to decode a mp3 and piped the output to the driver/pipe. .. but you dont need to do all that .. you could f.x. check out http://www.8ung.at/dos/mp3.htm for a old but comprehensive list of MP3 player for DOSS or just type in dos mp3 player in Google
It was a sunny day Fri, 28 Sep 2001 01:06:39 GMT, when ppu...@damthatspam.chello.nl (Peter Punk) wrote in alt.ascii-art that: >>No but I will definetly wait till Blizzard releases sources for >>Diablo2;P > >The sources to _what_? Diablo 2. The game in what you run and kill monsters... Really silly. >Then get a downloadmanager, that way you can spread a large download over a Yeah, I know. Right now I'm using DAP5... bug -- Blazej Kozlowski -=O=- bug bug...@akw.pl bu...@student.pl bla...@akw.pl GG: 1093730
Peter Punk wrote: > > On Thu, 27 Sep 2001 17:49:34 GMT, bug...@akw.pl (bug) provoked the following text: > >Hmmm... I'll think about it. My connection sucks, so it's problem 4 me > >to download such a "big" files... > > Then get a downloadmanager, that way you can spread a large download over a > couple of days (or weeks if you want). > Personally, i like Go!Zilla, but there are many other downloadmanagers, many of > them even just a couple of hundred of KB in size. Be sure to remove the adware/spyware it installs.That crap will make your system less stable. Obascii: ##==--)>*<(--==## `. | .' `. | .' `.|.' |#| |#| |#| -- |"""""<`.THE PRINCE ,'>"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""| | `.`/""""""\,',' my sig is too big, | |SEE HIS ( / \ \' SEE HIS but its really cool. | | FACE \/<> <>\/ SMILE | | / W \ Visit my ascii art site: | | ,'\_|||||_/`. http://www.gtcom.net/~krogg/ascii/ | | ,',' ||| `.`. kro...@gtcom.net | |____<,' TIME TO DIE `.>____Remove no.to.spam to reply____|
Krogg wrote: > > Peter Punk wrote: > > > > On Thu, 27 Sep 2001 17:49:34 GMT, bug...@akw.pl (bug) provoked the following text: > > > >Hmmm... I'll think about it. My connection sucks, so it's problem 4 me > > >to download such a "big" files... > > > > Then get a downloadmanager, that way you can spread a large download over a > > couple of days (or weeks if you want). > > Personally, i like Go!Zilla, but there are many other downloadmanagers, many of > > them even just a couple of hundred of KB in size. > > Be sure to remove the adware/spyware it installs.That crap will make your > system > less stable. > > Obascii: > ##==--)>*<(--==## > `. | .' > `. | .' > `.|.' > |#| > |#| > |#| Damn,pressed the wrong key,and posted...Oh well,how about someone else finish it
CeeJay wrote: > > > >Totally bare = can't do anything with it. DOS doesn't even have bash. > > > > True, but it does have command.com. > > I think other commandprompt exits for DOS .. and maybe even bash or a clone of > some sort It's called cygwin. :-)
On Fri, 28 Sep 2001 01:08:21 GMT, ppu...@damthatspam.chello.nl (Peter Punk) wrote: > >You have _almost_ asked the question i wanted to ask, which is if there is a >DOS-based MP3 player around yet. There's been several for a very long time now. I seem to remember experimenting with those somewhere in '97.. Can't remember any names, though.. :-/ -- CBM, Amiga and PEZ-nut, Scout, Glider pilot, Administrator Email: vjo...@sci.fi, URL: http://www.sci.fi/~vjouppi/ GSM: +358-40-5679999, IRCNet: Jope Arabuusimiehet World Domination
On Fri, 28 Sep 2001 19:41:43 GMT, bug...@akw.pl (bug) provoked the following text: >>>No but I will definetly wait till Blizzard releases sources for >>>Diablo2;P >> >>The sources to _what_? > >Diablo 2. The game in what you run and kill monsters... Really silly. Oh, never haerd of that game, that may be because i hardly ever play games. >>Then get a downloadmanager, that way you can spread a large download over a > >Yeah, I know. Right now I'm using DAP5... If you're gonna use that, you better get ad-aware (www.lavasoftusa.com) too to get rid of spyware. -- Peter Punk \ / ---\\\\--- / \ Op zoek gaan naar buitenaards leven? Kijk op http://home.hetnet.nl/~setiathomegroep/index.html voor tips, antwoorden, discussies. links, downloads en meer. 1705wu/2.446yrs This message will self-destruct in five seconds ...
It was a sunny day/night Sat, 29 Sep 2001 20:34:41 GMT, when ppu...@damthatspam.chello.nl (Peter Punk) wrote in alt.ascii-art that: Wassup! [...] >>Diablo 2. The game in what you run and kill monsters... Really silly. > >Oh, never haerd of that game, that may be because i hardly ever play games. Good 4 you! There is alomost no really good games in these times... :( >>>Then get a downloadmanager, that way you can spread a large download over a >> >>Yeah, I know. Right now I'm using DAP5... > >If you're gonna use that, you better get ad-aware (www.lavasoftusa.com) too to >get rid of spyware. Actually I really don't give a shit about what the know and what they don't know about me. I just don't have any so important documents to keep their existence as a secret... But thanks 4 takeing care of me;) bug -- Blazej Kozlowski -=O=- bug bug...@akw.pl bu...@student.pl bla...@akw.pl GG: 1093730
Peter Punk wrote: > > On Fri, 28 Sep 2001 19:41:43 GMT, bug...@akw.pl (bug) provoked the following text: > > >>>No but I will definetly wait till Blizzard releases sources for > >>>Diablo2;P > >> > >>The sources to _what_? > > > >Diablo 2. The game in what you run and kill monsters... Really silly. > > Oh, never haerd of that game, that may be because i hardly ever play games. > > >>Then get a downloadmanager, that way you can spread a large download over a > > > >Yeah, I know. Right now I'm using DAP5... > > If you're gonna use that, you better get ad-aware (www.lavasoftusa.com) too to > get rid of spyware. THough its quite off topic.... I too reccomend installing Ad-Aware and using it everytime you install something new...I am often supprised at howmany people i talk to dont even know about such things,so i am not too upset to post a little here about it. If you dont know about spyware or evne if you do then go here http://www.secure-search.f2s.com/software/spyw_soft.htm where you can read a little and also have access to some utlities and some web sites like: http://www.spychecker.com/ where you can check stuff before you install it. Obascii: Crappy drawing of a spyglass. ,--. | \ ,-', | ,-',-' `--' ,-',-' `-' -- |"""""<`.THE PRINCE ,'>"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""| | `.`/""""""\,',' my sig is too big, | |SEE HIS ( / \ \' SEE HIS but its really cool. | | FACE \/<> <>\/ SMILE | | / W \ Visit my ascii art site: | | ,'\_|||||_/`. http://www.gtcom.net/~krogg/ascii/ | | ,',' ||| `.`. kro...@gtcom.net | |____<,' TIME TO DIE `.>____Remove no.to.spam to reply____|
> > Obascii: > > ##==--)>*<(--==## > > `. | .' > > `. | .' > > `.|.' > > |#| > > |#| > > |#| > > Damn,pressed the wrong key,and posted...Oh well,how about someone else finish it What is it ?
> >If you're gonna use that, you better get ad-aware (www.lavasoftusa.com) too to > >get rid of spyware. > > Actually I really don't give a shit about what the know and what they > don't know about me. I just don't have any so important documents to > keep their existence as a secret... But thanks 4 takeing care of me;) As Krogg said some spyware also makes your system unstable .. and some of them slow your computer .. either just by running in the background all the time or by sending and recieving stuff to/from the internet .. adware in particular keeps loading adbanners. I recommend you remove all the spyware with ad aware , then optimize your modem connection with EasyMTU , install Webwasher so your wont have to download all thoose ad's on the many websites and finally install the PH_webpatch found on www.speedguide.net so you always use your full bandwidth when browsing. Kind Regards CeeJay
CeeJay wrote: > > > > Obascii: > > > ##==--)>*<(--==## > > > `. | .' > > > `. | .' > > > `.|.' > > > |#| > > > |#| > > > |#| > > > > Damn,pressed the wrong key,and posted...Oh well,how about someone else finish > it > > What is it ? I dont know.Maybe some kind of tile like the ones at tiles.ice.org or something.Make something up... -- |"""""<`.THE PRINCE ,'>"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""| | `.`/""""""\,',' my sig is too big, | |SEE HIS ( / \ \' SEE HIS but its really cool. | | FACE \/<> <>\/ SMILE | | / W \ Visit my ascii art site: | | ,'\_|||||_/`. http://www.gtcom.net/~krogg/ascii/ | | ,',' ||| `.`. kro...@gtcom.net | |____<,' TIME TO DIE `.>____Remove no.to.spam to reply____|
In article <4tc...@4ax.com>, "drsquare" <now...@nowhere.co.uk> wrote: > On Mon, 24 Sep 2001 02:38:42 -0000, in alt.ascii-art, > (kla...@seanet.com) wrote: > >>On 2001-09-23 now...@nowhere.co.uk said: >> >> > > >Anyway, who can be stuffed copying it to DOS? Are there DOS >> > > >newsreaders? I doubt there are... >> > >> > >There are many DOS-based web browsers... >> > >> >He said newsreader. >> >>DOS web browsers usually include a newsreader. For those which don't, >>stand-alone DOS-based newsreaders are widely available for download from >>the 'Net. > > Why would you want to use DOS anyway? It's the worst OS there is. If > you're going to use the console, at least use something decent like > Linux. For the purpose at hand of producing ASCII art, either a will work just fine. All that is needed is a fixed pitch font that supports the true ASCII character set or a super set of it. You should know that since you used your Windows based newsreader to post your picture of what you want to do to the graves of victums of that 9/11 attack. In case you have not shared that artwork with those who frequent here. Here is your artwork showing your vile intent, from Message-Id: <p7g...@4ax.com> > .-------------. > #######| _____|Praise Allah!| > | {} | / '-------------' > #######|__()__/ .-----. > | / | _|_ | > /\__ | | | > / | | | > ####################| RIP | > ############################ -- I run Linux, no bloody RedHat, Debian, Slackware, or Corel, just Linux. Linux accepted my new hardware without any effort on my part. Windows took one look at my new hardware and committed suicide.
In article <lij...@4ax.com>, "drsquare" <now...@nowhere.co.uk> wrote: > On Tue, 25 Sep 2001 02:44:14 -0000, in alt.ascii-art, > (anonymous@bogus_address.con) wrote: > >>On 2001-09-24 now...@nowhere.co.uk said: >> >> >Why would you want to use DOS anyway? It's the worst OS there is. >> >>Not so. DOS is a small, relatively efficient O.S. ...unlike that >>bloated pointee-clickee abomination. > > Linux is an even smaller, yet much more efficient OS, which, get this, > actually lets you run more than one program at once. You can even fit it > on a boot disk. drsquare, you can not sell people on the use of Linux by employing such lies anf half truths. A very minimal Linux can be made to fit on a floppy or two; however, that would be be workable for only certain limited purposes, such as running a firewall/router, a rescue floppy, or a emergency restore from backups. But that is not what your are refering to here, you are referring to a boot floppy, that is a floppy disk that contains only the Linux kernel or perhaps a Linux kernel and a boot loader like syslinux or lilo. There is no way that Linux is smaller than Dos. Linux has many strong selling points and can stand on those facts alone. You do not need to lie inorder to promote it. Getting people to try Linux based on your lies, you are setting them up for disappointment and will hurt rather than help Linux's reputation. Perhaps that is a new tactic of the winvocates. >>But more importantly, DOS allows the =user= to make the decisions about >>how he wants his machine to look, act and perform. It's a much more >>'down-to-the-metal' O.S., where the =user= is in control...not some >>megalomaniac in Redmond, Washington, U.S.A. > > No it doesn't, you can't even change the code, let alone change how it > works. Linux is the OS of choice if you want full control. Are you still unaware of FreeDos for which the source code is freely available? If you need to alter Dos's code, that is the one to try. >>Besides, DOS is ten times faster than WinDoze on any given machine. > > Then Linux is 15 times faster. Offer benchmarks to support your statement, or do not make such claims. >>Plus, the DOS executable files for any productivity software programs >>are 20 to 50 times smaller than a comparable WinDoze program. A 500 meg >>hard disk is =more= than sufficient for a DOS-based machine. You simply >>don't need a mega-gigabyte drive. > > You don't need a hard disk for a Linux-based machine!. You can load it > off a boot disk or boot over the network. Stop FUDing. Yes, Linux can boot from a floppy or a network boot PROM and use a NFS fileserver to provide its root parition. But that says nothing about how much disk it does need on the fileserver. >>And we haven't yet mentioned security. I think we all know how 'secure' >>WinDoze is. Not! :) > > Exactly. With DOS, there is nothing to break into! > >> >If you're going to use the console, at least use something decent >> >like Linux. >> >>Although it's a 'techie' O.S., and therefore not everyone's cup of tea, >>Linux is okay. But it suffers from many of the same ailments that >>afflict WinDoze: bloat, > > Linux does not have bloat? > >>hogging of system >>resources, > > What? Are you serious? Linux is one of the most efficient OSes there is. > It only needs 4MB of RAM! That may be the minimun RAM required, however you need at least 12Megs to 16Megs of RAM for a general purpose host, in order to avoid thrashing of the swap partitions and or swap files. Of course that amount you need is dependent what software you plan to run and how many simultanious users you plan to have running programs at once. What about an 8086, 8088, 80186, 80188, or 80286? What about a 80386 with 1Meg or 640K RAM? Dos and Minix can run on those boxes while Linux can not. As to bloat, my first Linux installation was on a 20Meg HD partition and the installation media was about a quarter of one CD. Today's Linux comes on multiple CD's. That may seem to be bloating; however, what is in fact being delivered is much more software than was available a decade ago. No one had to install all or most of that software. It is up to the sysadmin to install the software as per the needs of the host's userbase or that required by the dedicated taks(s) of that host. BTW one would shudder to think of the cost and storage requirements of that much software provided for the Windows platform. P.S. I have crossposted this message to COLA, so that real Linux Advocates can see how drsquare is representing Linux beyond the confines of COLA. [...] -- I run Linux, no bloody RedHat, Debian, Slackware, or Corel, just Linux. Linux accepted my new hardware without any effort on my part. Windows took one look at my new hardware and committed suicide.
In article <lg3...@4ax.com>, "drsquare" <now...@nowhere.co.uk> wrote: > On Tue, 25 Sep 2001 22:37:23 +0200, in alt.ascii-art, > ("CeeJay" <new...@ceejay.cjb.nOt>) wrote: > >>You can fit DOS on a bootdisk too , > > A version that can route and firewall an entire network, and let you > mount remote drives? Yes, you can. >>and I know that with Qube running ontop you can multitask (though I dont >>know if you can fit the entire thing on a bootdisk). > > Ah, so you need a dirty hack to get it to multi-task. Sigh, just face > it, DOS is dead. It is a complete piece of shit. Even Windows is better. Windows 9x and Windows ME is the Windows environment running on the Dos operating system. Dos will not be dead as long as there is someone who wants to run it. >>Sure it does .. FreeDOS - http://www.freedos.org/ is open-source. > > I thought you were talking about MS-DOS. Dos != MS-Dos The conversation is limited to MS-Dos only when "MS-Dos" is cited by name. There are a number of various Dos operating systems. Dos is the generic name for all of them. > No, you will still have all the shite hanging about that you don't need, > like the intergrated desktop and all the bollocks features that you > can't do anything about, like the GUI. You can dump the Windows 9x GUI, just edit one file in the root directory of the boot disk changing GUI= option. Then delete the windows and Program Files directory trees, then the Windows GUI is history and you are running MS-Dos 7.x. >>( Why does alt-ascii-art threads often go on to discussing very deep and >>nerdy science and tech issues .. are we really all a bunch of geeks ? :) >> ) > > I think so. Speak for yourself, most of us do not eat live animals. We also do not react to the deaths of the people killed by the 9/11 attacks as you do and would not feel as you do when you said about those deaths: "In fact, I've never been more overjoyed. I've just sent off for the plane ticket so I can come over and dance on all the graves, whilst waving my Afghanistan flag in the air." -- I run Linux, no bloody RedHat, Debian, Slackware, or Corel, just Linux. Linux accepted my new hardware without any effort on my part. Windows took one look at my new hardware and committed suicide.
On Mon, 01 Oct 2001 10:30:59 -0700, mjcr <mjc...@mindspring.com> wrote: > In article <lij...@4ax.com>, "drsquare" ><now...@nowhere.co.uk> wrote: > >> On Tue, 25 Sep 2001 02:44:14 -0000, in alt.ascii-art, >> (anonymous@bogus_address.con) wrote: >> >>>On 2001-09-24 now...@nowhere.co.uk said: >>> >>> >Why would you want to use DOS anyway? It's the worst OS there is. >>> >>>Not so. DOS is a small, relatively efficient O.S. ...unlike that >>>bloated pointee-clickee abomination. >> >> Linux is an even smaller, yet much more efficient OS, which, get this, >> actually lets you run more than one program at once. You can even fit it >> on a boot disk. > > drsquare, you can not sell people on the use of Linux by employing such > lies anf half truths. A very minimal Linux can be made to fit on a floppy > or two; however, that would be be workable for only certain limited > purposes, such as running a firewall/router, a rescue floppy, or a > emergency restore from backups. But that is not what your are refering to > here, you are referring to a boot floppy, that is a floppy disk that > contains only the Linux kernel or perhaps a Linux kernel and a boot loader > like syslinux or lilo. www.toms.net has a single floppy system, (running on a floppy formatted to 1.7MB.) It's not smaller than dos, but it is very full featured. Including of course a full tcp-ip stack which dos lacked, and all the other niceties that a modern OS brings with it. It would be an error to claim that it was as small as dos, but it's not much bigger, and it does oh-so much more. (Tom's rootboot rocks!) IMHO, the best of the single floppy distros. >> No it doesn't, you can't even change the code, let alone change how it >> works. Linux is the OS of choice if you want full control. > > Are you still unaware of FreeDos for which the source code is freely > available? If you need to alter Dos's code, that is the one to try. When someone says dos, it's usually in reference to MS-DOS, which you cannot (legally) change the code of. > > > Offer benchmarks to support your statement, or do not make such claims. > true, wild exagerations are counterproductive. -- Jim Richardson Anarchist, pagan and proud of it www.eskimo.com/~warlock Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
It was a beautiful day/night Sun, 30 Sep 2001 12:56:49 +0200, when "CeeJay" <new...@ceejay.cjb.nOt> wrote in alt.ascii-art that: >As Krogg said some spyware also makes your system unstable .. I didn't notice it, but who knows... >and some of them >slow your computer .. either just by running in the background all the time or >by sending and recieving stuff to/from the internet .. adware in particular >keeps loading adbanners. I'm using Opera so I do not see banners on websites cause I turned off pictures. The only banners I see is one in DAP and one in Opera. >I recommend you remove all the spyware with ad aware , then optimize your modem >connection with EasyMTU , install Webwasher so your wont have to download all >thoose ad's on the many websites and finally install the PH_webpatch found on >www.speedguide.net so you always use your full bandwidth when browsing. Propably I would do it (one year ago I used to use Webwasher), but right now I can only use my computer when I'm home -- at weekends -- so I have no time to "play" with all this software... Either the way thank you. bug -- Blazej Kozlowski -=O=- bug bug...@akw.pl bu...@student.pl bla...@akw.pl GG: 1093730
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