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Original Usenet thread from alt.ascii-art, started 3 Apr 1998.
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alt.ascii-art · 23 messages · 3 Apr 1998 - 16 Apr 1998
Erhard Wais <erh...@dms.at> ASCII art 3 Apr 1998 00:00 · permalink · report
Schoen Gruesse von Snoopy

             ,- " ^ -_
           /    /      \ _
         /                 ` -- ,
       /         _._   -'-        \
      /                            ,
     / ##                     ##   ,
    | #### \                      .
    | ##### \      \        , _ -'
     \ ##### |       `- _ -
      \  ## / `- -'\    /
        `""         \===\
           _(\______/    \ _____/)_
           \_.-----,   __  ,----._/
                  /  /    \ \ _
                 /  |  ##  V    \
                |   |   #  |  ## |
                |  __\     |   # |
                 \________/ \ __/

Ich habe deine Gymnastikkarten - kosten aber 400 oeS :-(

                               /\
                               \ \
                                \ \
                                / /
                               / /
                              _\ \_/\/\
                             /  *  \@@ =
                            |       |Y/
                            |       |~
                             \ /_\ /
                              \\ //
                               |||
                              _|||_
                             ( / \ )


Ein Portrait von Deinem Baer ...
               ___   .--.
          .--.-"   "-' .- |
         / .-,`          .'
         \   `           \
          '.            ! \
            |     !  .--.  |
            \        '--'  /.____
           /`-.     \__,'.'      `\
        __/   \`-.____.-' `\      /
        | `---`'-'._/-`     \----'    _
        |,-'`  /             |    _.-' `\
       .'     /              |--'`     / |
      /      /\              `         | |
      |   .\/  \      .--. __          \ |
       '-'      '._       /  `\         /
                   `\    '     |------'`
                     \  |      |
                      \        /
                       '._  _.'
                          ``

Erhi

Doug Wilson <dwi...@hotmail.com> ASCII art 4 Apr 1998 00:00 · permalink · report
In article <352...@dms.at>, Erhard Wais <erh...@dms.at> wrote:

> Ein Portrait von Deinem Baer ...
>                ___   .--.
>           .--.-"   "-' .- |
>          / .-,`          .'
>          \   `           \
>           '.            ! \
>             |     !  .--.  |
>             \        '--'  /.____
>            /`-.     \__,'.'      `\
>         __/   \`-.____.-' `\      /
>         | `---`'-'._/-`     \----'    _
>         |,-'`  /             |    _.-' `\
>        .'     /              |--'`     / |
>       /      /\              `         | |
>       |   .\/  \      .--. __          \ |
>        '-'      '._       /  `\         /
>                    `\    '     |------'`
>                      \  |      |
>                       \        /
>                        '._  _.'
>                           ``

I'm pretty sure this is joan's bear. In fact I just checked an email I
sent to my fiance with the bear and it does indeed "bear" joan's sig.
What's up here? Anyone speak german and wanna tell this guy this isn't
cool?

-- 
        ___    ___    ___    ___            Doug Wilson
 ______/  /___/  /___/  /___/  /__________  dwi...@hotmail.com
 \ =  : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :  /  http://www.cybcon.com/~dwilson
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "And my heart will go on..."

BluePard <blu...@buffnet.net> ASCII art 4 Apr 1998 00:00 · permalink · report
Erhard Wais wrote:
> 
> Schoen Gruesse von Snoopy

[Beautifully greetings from Snoopy]

> 
>              ,- " ^ -_
>            /    /      \ _
>          /                 ` -- ,
>        /         _._   -'-        \
>       /                            ,
>      / ##                     ##   ,
>     | #### \                      .
>     | ##### \      \        , _ -'
>      \ ##### |       `- _ -
>       \  ## / `- -'\    /
>         `""         \===\
>            _(\______/    \ _____/)_
>            \_.-----,   __  ,----._/
>                   /  /    \ \ _
>                  /  |  ##  V    \
>                 |   |   #  |  ## |
>                 |  __\     |   # |
>                  \________/ \ __/


Es ist... aber wo ist die Initialen reizend? Wer bildete es? 
> 
> Ich habe deine Gymnastikkarten - kosten aber 400 oeS :-(

[I have your gymnastic cards - to cost however 400 oeS :-(  --- don't
ask me about the translation, that's what the page says it says...]
> 
>                                /\
>                                \ \
>                                 \ \
>                                 / /
>                                / /
>                               _\ \_/\/\
>                              /  *  \@@ =
>                             |       |Y/
>                             |       |~
>                              \ /_\ /
>                               \\ //
>                                |||
>                               _|||_
>                              ( / \ ) Scorch
> 
[name added]

Wo ist der Name? Diese Abbildung ist durch Scortch, lassen
          bitte seinen Namen auf ihr. 

> Ein Portrait von Deinem Baer ...

[A Portrait of your bear...]
>                ___   .--.
>           .--.-"   "-' .- |
>          / .-,`          .'
>          \   `           \
>           '.            ! \
>             |     !  .--.  |
>             \        '--'  /.____
>            /`-.     \__,'.'      `\
>         __/   \`-.____.-' `\      /
>         | `---`'-'._/-`     \----'    _
>         |,-'`  /             |    _.-' `\
>        .'     /              |--'`     / |
>       /      /\              `         | |
>       |   .\/  \      .--. __          \ |
>        '-'      '._       /  `\         /
>                    `\    '     |------'`
>                      \  |      |
>                       \        /
>                        '._  _.' jgs
>                           ``
[initials added]

          Dieser irgendjemandes vorbei Joan. Halten Sie bitte die
Initialen an, wenn Sie pics bekanntgeben, oder Leute erhalten ver�rgert.

[Entschuldigung meine deutschen..., Ich spreche nicht sie und
          morgens mit einem �bersetzer. Dieses ist ein haupts�chlich
          englischsprechender newsgroup. ],  
> 
> Erhi

BTW, thanks to whoever posted the URL of the translator page! :)
-- 
  _-                                       BluePard
;' )\_    ___                "A foot falls, yet makes no sound...."    
  |   ````   \     .-.   http://www.geocities.com/southbeach/palms/2115
 (\|  /  (  _)\   //`-`  
_-'_.'  "---' `---'

LOL, BP's/translator's German is funnier than my Dutch! The orginal
poster's German is not errorfree either ...

   ,,
  ( "> w    The Original 'stein Gallery
 ,(> )>|   http://www3.sympatico.ca/petecasso/
(  ^^    'stein cartoons, 'stein games and more!

miK <mmi...@dataweb.nl> 5 Apr 1998 00:00 · permalink · report
BluePard <blu...@buffnet.net> wrote:

>Dieser irgendjemandes vorbei Joan. Halten Sie bitte die
>Initialen an, wenn Sie pics bekanntgeben, oder Leute erhalten ver�rgert.

``This from somewhere from someone goes past Joan. Please arrest the initials,
when you give up the pics, or the people will hold annoyed.''

>[Entschuldigung meine deutschen..., Ich spreche nicht sie und
>morgens mit einem �bersetzer. Dieses ist ein haupts�chlich
>englischsprechender newsgroup. ],  

``Sorry, my little Kraut..., I do not speak they and in the mornings I rent a
translator. This is a basic english speaking newsgroup.''

>BTW, thanks to whoever posted the URL of the translator page! :)

Yes, I think it's a very useful tool to translate the FAQ. Any takers?

Cheers,
mic

Spunk1111 <spu...@aol.com> ASCII art 6 Apr 1998 00:00 · permalink · report
>From: mmi...@dataweb.nl (miK)
>Date: Sun, Apr 5, 1998 17:40 EDT
>Message-id: <6g8tqu$gss$1...@news.Leiden.NL.net>

>>Dieser irgendjemandes vorbei Joan. Halten Sie bitte die
>>Initialen an, wenn Sie pics bekanntgeben, oder Leute erhalten ver�rgert.
>
>``This from somewhere from someone goes past Joan. Please arrest the
>initials,
>when you give up the pics, or the people will hold annoyed.''

hmmm, I caught my name... and I'm assuming he meant me...
(haven't heard from too many other 'Joans' on this newsgroup)..
but I still don't understand.....   
I guess the translation software doesn't quite do the trick.

-joan
-- 
         _.-----._
  *    .'   .-'``|'.           *
      /    /    -*- \              joan stark         |
     ;   <{      |   ;   |     spu...@juno.com    -*-
     |    _\ |       |  -*-                           |
     ;   _\ -*- |    ;   |
      \   \  | -*-  /           ASCII ART GALLERY:        *
  jgs  '._ '.__ |_.'   http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/7373/
          '-----'

llizard <cq5...@freent.toronto.on.ca> ASCII art 6 Apr 1998 00:00 · permalink · report
In article <199...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
spu...@aol.com (Spunk1111) wrote:
> 
> >From: mmi...@dataweb.nl (miK)
> >Date: Sun, Apr 5, 1998 17:40 EDT
> >Message-id: <6g8tqu$gss$1...@news.Leiden.NL.net>
> 
> >>Dieser irgendjemandes vorbei Joan. Halten Sie bitte die
> >>Initialen an, wenn Sie pics bekanntgeben, oder Leute erhalten ver�rgert.
> >
> >``This from somewhere from someone goes past Joan. Please arrest the
> >initials,
> >when you give up the pics, or the people will hold annoyed.''
> 
> hmmm, I caught my name... and I'm assuming he meant me...
> (haven't heard from too many other 'Joans' on this newsgroup)..
> but I still don't understand.....
> I guess the translation software doesn't quite do the trick.
> 
> --
>  joan stark
>  spu...@juno.com
>  ASCII ART GALLERY:
>  http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/7373/

.
         ___         !/\
       _/   |     ---@@^^,
      |_____| gasp! / \/ > Yikes, it's all my fault!
        ---  ==         >
      [_____]        __>,^
ejm97  |   |        //| |


BluePard wrote:
> 
> Erhard Wais wrote:
> >
> > Schoen Gruesse von Snoopy
> 
> [Beautifully greetings from Snoopy]
> 
> >
> >              ,- " ^ -_
> >            /    /      \ _
> >          /                 ` -- ,
> >        /         _._   -'-        \
> >       /                            ,
> >      / ##                     ##   ,
> >     | #### \                      .
> >     | ##### \      \        , _ -'
> >      \ ##### |       `- _ -
> >       \  ## / `- -'\    /
> >         `""         \===\
> >            _(\______/    \ _____/)_
> >            \_.-----,   __  ,----._/
> >                   /  /    \ \ _
> >                  /  |  ##  V    \
> >                 |   |   #  |  ## |
> >                 |  __\     |   # |
> >                  \________/ \ __/
> 
> Es ist... aber wo ist die Initialen reizend? Wer bildete es?

I forgot to mention that it is a good idea to translate your phrase back
into English just to check to make sure that it makes some sort of
sense. I think you meant to say about Snoopy:

Es ist sch�n. Aber wo sind die Initialen? Wer zeichnete es?
(It is beautiful. But where are the initials? Who drew it?)

[snip]
> >                                /\
> >                                \ \
> >                                 \ \
> >                                 / /
> >                                / /
> >                               _\ \_/\/\
> >                              /  *  \@@ =
> >                             |       |Y/
> >                             |       |~
> >                              \ /_\ /
> >                               \\ //
> >                                |||
> >                               _|||_
> >                              ( / \ ) Scorch
> [name added]
> 
> Wo ist der Name? Diese Abbildung ist durch Scortch, lassen
>           bitte seinen Namen auf ihr.

Jemand mu� den Namen des K�nstlers dieser Abbildung beseitigt haben. Sie
ist durch Scorch. Bitte l�schen Sie nicht den Namen.
(Somebody must have taken the artist's name off of this figure. It is by
Scorch. Please do not remove the name.)
 
> > Ein Portrait von Deinem Baer ...
> [A Portrait of your bear...]
> >                ___   .--.
> >           .--.-"   "-' .- |
> >          / .-,`          .'
> >          \   `           \
> >           '.            ! \
> >             |     !  .--.  |
> >             \        '--'  /.____
> >            /`-.     \__,'.'      `\
[snip]
> >                        '._  _.' jgs
> >                           ``
> [initials added]
> 
>           Dieser irgendjemandes vorbei Joan. Halten Sie bitte die
> Initialen an, wenn Sie pics bekanntgeben, oder Leute erhalten ver�rgert.
.
         ___ ha  !/\
       _/  ha ---%^^^,
      |_____|ha / \/ >  This is the best one!
        ---  ==     >
      [_____]    __>,^
ejm98  |   |    //| |

Just to give you an idea of why you must do a doublecheck of your
phrases, I translated the above phrase back into English and this is
what came out:

      "This somebody past Joan. Stop please the initials,
       if you communicate pics, or people received annoys."

Joan (jgs) zeichnete den B�ren. Bitte, f�gen Sie sie Initialen Ihrem
Exemplar des B�ren hinzu.  
(Joan (jgs) drew the bear. Add her initials to your copy of the bear.)


> [Entschuldigung meine deutschen..., Ich spreche nicht sie und
>           morgens mit einem �bersetzer. Dieses ist ein haupts�chlich
>           englischsprechender newsgroup. ],
> >
> > Erhi
> 
> BTW, thanks to whoever posted the URL of the translator page! :)
> --
> BluePard
> http://www.geocities.com/southbeach/palms/2115

Ich verwendete
http://babelfish.altavista.digital.com/cgi-bin/translate? f�r die
�bersetzung. (Entschuldigen Sie bitte die Fehler.)

(I used
http://babelfish.altavista.digital.com/cgi-bin/translate?
for the translation. (Please excuse the errors.) )


NOTE: If you hit the reply button, add an "e" to the "freent";
its absense is to stop the torment of automatic mailers.
--
        ha      llizard aka ejm  cq5...@freenet.toronto.on.ca
^^^^%---  ha        www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/9334/
 "   \ ha        ASCII-art and Javascript ASCII-animations

BluePard <blu...@buffnet.net> ASCII art 6 Apr 1998 00:00 · permalink · report
Spunk1111 wrote:
> 
> >From: mmi...@dataweb.nl (miK)
> >Date: Sun, Apr 5, 1998 17:40 EDT
> >Message-id: <6g8tqu$gss$1...@news.Leiden.NL.net>
> 
> >>Dieser irgendjemandes vorbei Joan. Halten Sie bitte die
> >>Initialen an, wenn Sie pics bekanntgeben, oder Leute erhalten ver�rgert.
> >
> >``This from somewhere from someone goes past Joan. Please arrest the
> >initials,
> >when you give up the pics, or the people will hold annoyed.''
> 
> hmmm, I caught my name... and I'm assuming he meant me...
> (haven't heard from too many other 'Joans' on this newsgroup)..
> but I still don't understand.....
> I guess the translation software doesn't quite do the trick.

Arghh.. yer right. Supposed to say something like "This is picture was
made by Joan. Please keep the initials on the pics when you post them,
or people will get annoyed."

Oh well... maybe se got the point?
> 
> -joan
-- 
  _-                                       BluePard
;' )\_    ___                "A foot falls, yet makes no sound...."    
  |   ````   \     .-.   http://www.geocities.com/southbeach/palms/2115
 (\|  /  (  _)\   //`-`  
_-'_.'  "---' `---'

Where is the translator page?

BluePard (blu...@buffnet.net) wrote:
: Erhard Wais wrote:
: > 
: > Schoen Gruesse von Snoopy

: [Beautifully greetings from Snoopy]

: > 
: >              ,- " ^ -_
: >            /    /      \ _
: >          /                 ` -- ,
: >        /         _._   -'-        \
: >       /                            ,
: >      / ##                     ##   ,
: >     | #### \                      .
: >     | ##### \      \        , _ -'
: >      \ ##### |       `- _ -
: >       \  ## / `- -'\    /
: >         `""         \===\
: >            _(\______/    \ _____/)_
: >            \_.-----,   __  ,----._/
: >                   /  /    \ \ _
: >                  /  |  ##  V    \
: >                 |   |   #  |  ## |
: >                 |  __\     |   # |
: >                  \________/ \ __/


: Es ist... aber wo ist die Initialen reizend? Wer bildete es? 
: > 
: > Ich habe deine Gymnastikkarten - kosten aber 400 oeS :-(

: [I have your gymnastic cards - to cost however 400 oeS :-(  --- don't
: ask me about the translation, that's what the page says it says...]
: > 
: >                                /\
: >                                \ \
: >                                 \ \
: >                                 / /
: >                                / /
: >                               _\ \_/\/\
: >                              /  *  \@@ =
: >                             |       |Y/
: >                             |       |~
: >                              \ /_\ /
: >                               \\ //
: >                                |||
: >                               _|||_
: >                              ( / \ ) Scorch
: > 
: [name added]

: Wo ist der Name? Diese Abbildung ist durch Scortch, lassen
:           bitte seinen Namen auf ihr. 

: > Ein Portrait von Deinem Baer ...

: [A Portrait of your bear...]
: >                ___   .--.
: >           .--.-"   "-' .- |
: >          / .-,`          .'
: >          \   `           \
: >           '.            ! \
: >             |     !  .--.  |
: >             \        '--'  /.____
: >            /`-.     \__,'.'      `\
: >         __/   \`-.____.-' `\      /
: >         | `---`'-'._/-`     \----'    _
: >         |,-'`  /             |    _.-' `\
: >        .'     /              |--'`     / |
: >       /      /\              `         | |
: >       |   .\/  \      .--. __          \ |
: >        '-'      '._       /  `\         /
: >                    `\    '     |------'`
: >                      \  |      |
: >                       \        /
: >                        '._  _.' jgs
: >                           ``
: [initials added]

:           Dieser irgendjemandes vorbei Joan. Halten Sie bitte die
: Initialen an, wenn Sie pics bekanntgeben, oder Leute erhalten ver�rgert.

: [Entschuldigung meine deutschen..., Ich spreche nicht sie und
:           morgens mit einem �bersetzer. Dieses ist ein haupts�chlich
:           englischsprechender newsgroup. ],  
: > 
: > Erhi

: BTW, thanks to whoever posted the URL of the translator page! :)
: -- 
:   _-                                       BluePard
: ;' )\_    ___                "A foot falls, yet makes no sound...."    
:   |   ````   \     .-.   http://www.geocities.com/southbeach/palms/2115
:  (\|  /  (  _)\   //`-`  
: _-'_.'  "---' `---'

--

Krogg <kro...@inspace.net> ASCII art 6 Apr 1998 00:00 · permalink · report
miK wrote:
> 
> BluePard <blu...@buffnet.net> wrote:
> 
> >Dieser irgendjemandes vorbei Joan. Halten Sie bitte die
> >Initialen an, wenn Sie pics bekanntgeben, oder Leute erhalten ver�rgert.
> 
> ``This from somewhere from someone goes past Joan. Please arrest the initials,
> when you give up the pics, or the people will hold annoyed.''
> 
> >[Entschuldigung meine deutschen..., Ich spreche nicht sie und
> >morgens mit einem �bersetzer. Dieses ist ein haupts�chlich
> >englischsprechender newsgroup. ],
> 
> ``Sorry, my little Kraut..., I do not speak they and in the mornings I rent a
> translator. This is a basic english speaking newsgroup.''
> 
> >BTW, thanks to whoever posted the URL of the translator page! :)
> 
> Yes, I think it's a very useful tool to translate the FAQ. Any takers?
> 
> Cheers,
> mic
Yes,i have tried (invain)  back when Chapu wanted a spanish translation
for the faq.There is not any substitute for a human translator.Alta-vista's 
translator is usefull for getting the gist of some thing but,it ain't
no eighth wonder of the world.
 
here is what i typed ported to french:

Oui, j'ai essay� (invain) en arri�re quand Chapu a voulu
une traduction espagnole pour le faq.There n'est pas
n'importe quel produit de remplacement pour un traducteur
humain de translator.Alta-vista's est usefull pour obtenir
le gist d'une certaine chose mais, il ain't aucune
huiti�me merveille du monde.

I fed it back to get english again and here ya go:

Yes, I tested (invain) behind when Chapu wanted a
translation Spanish for the faq.There is not any product
of replacement for a human translator of
translator.Alta-vista' S is usefull to obtain the gist of
a certain thing but, it ain' T no eighth wonder of the
world. 

Not all that bad,but still it wouldnt work so well with 
a big document that covers very specfic stuff.Its kinda
fun though.-_^

-- 
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      / /\ \    //     '     \\    / /\ \        
     / / / /   </ TIME TO DIE \>   \ \ \ \     
     \ \/  \_______________________/  \/ /
      \_________________________________/
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miK <mmi...@dataweb.nl> 7 Apr 1998 00:00 · permalink · report
spu...@aol.com (Spunk1111) wrote:

>>From: mmi...@dataweb.nl (miK)

>>>Dieser irgendjemandes vorbei Joan. Halten Sie bitte die
>>>Initialen an, wenn Sie pics bekanntgeben, oder Leute erhalten ver�rgert.
>>
>>``This from somewhere from someone goes past Joan. Please arrest the
>>initials,
>>when you give up the pics, or the people will hold annoyed.''

>hmmm, I caught my name... and I'm assuming he meant me...
>(haven't heard from too many other 'Joans' on this newsgroup)..
>but I still don't understand.....   
>I guess the translation software doesn't quite do the trick.

Sorry, Joan. My input was just a cynical comment on the translator's
output. Wrote down what I read at first reading, and -- I admit --
exaggerated a little bit. This bogus translation wasn't supposed be
at the expense of you of course (neither was Blue Pard's).

Hey, I wouldn't dare... :-) (you probably know your surname
means *strong* in German)

Bye,
mic 

Spunk1111 <spu...@aol.com> ASCII art 7 Apr 1998 00:00 · permalink · report
>From: BluePard <blu...@buffnet.net>
>Message-id: <352...@buffnet.net>
>> I guess the translation software doesn't quite do the trick.
>
>Arghh.. yer right. Supposed to say something like "This is picture was
>made by Joan. Please keep the initials on the pics when you post them,
>or people will get annoyed."

I got it... thanks for the insight... (also, thank you llizard!)
gee, now I understand... I needed some translation with
the translation!  hahaha...
-joan
--
                  |~~
               _.:^:._
       |~  _.-'.'.'.'.'-._   |~               joan stark
      <|><|><|><|>o<|><|><|><|>           spu...@juno.com
       |__|__|__|___|__|__|__|
       : -\|_     |    -\|_  :
       : <<.<<` -\|_   <<.<<`:            ASCII ART GALLERY:
       :___|____<<,<<`___|___:    http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/7373/
 jgs___{=====================}___________________________________________
 """"""^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""

Ilmari Karonen <ilt...@sci.fi> ASCII art 8 Apr 1998 00:00 · permalink · report
aardvarko (rea...@message.com) wrote:
: Original text:
: Hello! I'm rather bored right now and wanted to try this bloody
: translator thingie. Anyone want a hamburger?

: French:
: Bonjour! Je m'ennuie plut�t en ce moment et ai voulu essayer ce thingie
: sanglant de traducteur. N'importe qui veulent un hamburger?

: And back:
:  Hello! I am bored rather in this moment and wanted to test this thingie
: strapping of translator. Do no matter who want a hamburger?

Such translation services in fact are an excellent opportunity for the
not-quite-so-serious area of science known as iterative translation
analysis.

The idea? To translate a piece of text back and forth between two
languages, and see if it settles into an attractor - either a single
sequence of words that survives the translation, or even possibly
a cycle between several versions.

More thorough study can be done by repeating the process for slightly
different wordings of the same sentence, and seeing whether they
converge to the same attractor or not. More complex situations are
formed if more than two languages are involved.

The results are not only often hilarious, but maybe - just maybe -
you might be able to gain some new insight as well. :)

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Pete Casso <pet...@sympatico.ca> ASCII art 8 Apr 1998 00:00 · permalink · report
Ilmari Karonen wrote:
<stuff elided>
> The idea? To translate a piece of text back and forth between two
> languages, and see if it settles into an attractor - either a single
> sequence of words that survives the translation, or even possibly
> a cycle between several versions.
> 
> The results are not only often hilarious, but maybe - just maybe -
> you might be able to gain some new insight as well. :)

I did a single cycle on a single version of the cartoon below, the
translation survived and is amusing as well!

01WW5WWW10WWWW5WWW20WWWW5WWW30WWWW5WWW40WWWW5WWW50WWWW5WWW6062
02                                                          02
03  Frogstein and Birdstein - The Squeeze                   03
04  by Pete Casso 980404                                    04
05                                                          05
06             Frogstein! Why don't you ever                06
07            sit back and cross your legs?                 07
08           /                                              08
09          /       Ouch, Birdstein! OUCH! I will squeeze   09
10                 what nature has put between my legs!     10
11    _==_        /                                         11
12    ( ">      oo.                                         12
13   (> )>     (-  )                                        13
14    ^^        " "                                         14
15WW5WWW10WWWW5WWW20WWWW5WWW30WWWW5WWW40WWWW5WWW50WWWW5WWW6062

Translated by Alta Vista from English to French to English 062
02                                                          02
03  Frogstein and Birdstein - Compression                   03
04  by Pete Casso 980404                                    04
05                                                          05
06             Frogstein! Why don't you sit down            06
07            behind and do not cross your legs?            07
08           /                                              08
09          /       Ouch, Birdstein! OUCH! I will tighten   09
10                 what nature has put between my legs!     10
11    _==_        /                                         11
12    ( ">      oo.                                         12
13   (> )>     (-  )                                        13
14    ^^        " "                                         14
15WW5WWW10WWWW5WWW20WWWW5WWW30WWWW5WWW40WWWW5WWW50WWWW5WWW6062

Here's another test:

Original text:

Hello! I'm rather bored right now and wanted to try this bloody
translator thingie. Anyone want a hamburger?

French:

Bonjour! Je m'ennuie plut�t en ce moment et ai voulu essayer ce thingie
sanglant de traducteur. N'importe qui veulent un hamburger?

And back:

 Hello! I am bored rather in this moment and wanted to test this thingie
strapping of translator. Do no matter who want a hamburger?

[laffin]

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Ilmari Karonen wrote in message <6gjhuj$j1c$1...@tron.sci.fi>...
>Krogg (kro...@inspace.net) wrote:
>: Ya,i had heared of that b4 in a book,"the majik machine",by A.K.Dewdney i
think.
>: I know i got his last name messed up,just dont want hunt for the book
>
>Got it just right - I haven't read any of his books (should go looking
>for copies someday..) but after writing a lengthy tutorial on Core War
>I don't think I can ever forget how to spell his name..

I loved "Planiverse"--that's the same guy wasn't it?--I even found YNDRD's
home page <g>

>>BKNambo
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'"USENET" is actually a very odd text-adventure game written by Infocom
that someone installed on your computer when you weren't looking.'
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Krogg <kro...@inspace.net> ASCII art 9 Apr 1998 00:00 · permalink · report
Ilmari Karonen wrote:
> 
> aardvarko (rea...@message.com) wrote:
> : Original text:
> : Hello! I'm rather bored right now and wanted to try this bloody
> : translator thingie. Anyone want a hamburger?
> 
> : French:
> : Bonjour! Je m'ennuie plut�t en ce moment et ai voulu essayer ce thingie
> : sanglant de traducteur. N'importe qui veulent un hamburger?
> 
> : And back:
> :  Hello! I am bored rather in this moment and wanted to test this thingie
> : strapping of translator. Do no matter who want a hamburger?
> 
> Such translation services in fact are an excellent opportunity for the
> not-quite-so-serious area of science known as iterative translation
> analysis.
> 
> The idea? To translate a piece of text back and forth between two
> languages, and see if it settles into an attractor - either a single
> sequence of words that survives the translation, or even possibly
> a cycle between several versions.
> 
> More thorough study can be done by repeating the process for slightly
> different wordings of the same sentence, and seeing whether they
> converge to the same attractor or not. More complex situations are
> formed if more than two languages are involved.
> 
> The results are not only often hilarious, but maybe - just maybe -
> you might be able to gain some new insight as well. :)
> 
> --  __,,,------._
>  ,-/|            `-.  Ilmari Karonen (ilt...@sci.fi) ^ All opinions expressed
> /,  '\,     `.  ,|"-;;.__ http://www.sci.fi/~iltzu/ | in this message are my
> / ' 4(_,-_,-"_,/.'   `'--' ,------------------------' own. If you want me to
> "`-(_,-"" `-' (,' itz      | make some for you too, you should pay for them!

Ya,i had heared of that b4 in a book,"the majik machine",by A.K.Dewdney i think.
I know i got his last name messed up,just dont want hunt for the book
just now:) any how,I guess this is getting off the topic of ascii art
but i Haddent heared of the attractor aspect of this b4 and now i am 
interested.I have heard of some funny stuff coming out of this process
though,I guess altavista tran will get a few more hits now..........


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Krogg (kro...@inspace.net) wrote:
: Ya,i had heared of that b4 in a book,"the majik machine",by A.K.Dewdney i think.
: I know i got his last name messed up,just dont want hunt for the book

Got it just right - I haven't read any of his books (should go looking
for copies someday..) but after writing a lengthy tutorial on Core War
I don't think I can ever forget how to spell his name..

: just now:) any how,I guess this is getting off the topic of ascii art

Was this thread ever on topic? Hmm.. I think I'll have to spend some
time drawing some ObAsciiPics. ;-)

: but i Haddent heared of the attractor aspect of this b4 and now i am 
: interested.I have heard of some funny stuff coming out of this process

That, on the other hand, seems to be a kind of an attractor in my mind
- I tend to spot such things in the strangest places. I have the same
effect with stereograms, I can't even look at a wallpaper without
crossing my eyes. :) (and that also put this almost on topic, though I
have no new ascii stereograms to post just yet)

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ii 3D .sigXIlmari KaronenAscii 3D .sigIlmari Karonen_Ascii 3D .sigIlmari Kar
fi....@graphic.iltzu@sci.fi.stereo@gra...@sci.fin.stereo@graphicilt
ltzu/ba/http://www.sci.fi/~iltzu/bahttp://www.sci.fi/~iltzu/1bahttp://www.sc
 is a stereogram!><This .sig is a stereogram!><This .sig is a stereogram!><T

>Ya,i had heared of that b4 in a book,"the majik machine",by A.K.Dewdney
i think.
>I know i got his last name messed up,just dont want hunt for the book

A.K. Dewdney's a stark-raving loonie. I was given a copy of his book
"The Planiverse" ... it's a book about how he's just futzing around and
suddenly "the screen shifted... and I was looking at a whole world of
two-dimensional beings" ... [creepy horror music] He goes on and on and
on about these little figments of his imagination. The most interesting
part of this demented creation is that he's only been able to reproduce
his results for anyone other then these two or three people... Of
course, if the media's involved, "It must not be a good time to contact
the other world. I'm sorry."  Uh-huh.

He becomes "friends" with one of the hallucinations and names it
"Yendred" . I don't think it's a coincidence that it's almost exactly
his last name backwards. Dewdney= "Yendwed" ...

If you wondered, his full name is Alexander Keewatin Dewdney.  Right.

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[if you get this twice I blame the server... >:( ]

Ilmari Karonen wrote:
[ 8< ]
> --
> ii 3D .sigXIlmari KaronenAscii 3D .sigIlmari Karonen_Ascii 3D .sigIlmari Kar
> fi....@graphic.iltzu@sci.fi.stereo@gra...@sci.fin.stereo@graphicilt
> ltzu/ba/http://www.sci.fi/~iltzu/bahttp://www.sci.fi/~iltzu/1bahttp://www.sc
>  is a stereogram!><This .sig is a stereogram!><This .sig is a stereogram!><T

I like that sig! (a bit wide perhaps... but a very creative spam block) 
:)

Here's my attempt to copy it (I hope I got the details right, I'm too
tired to *think* so it's made partly by trial and error):

-- 
nMy 3D sigVeronica KarlssonMy 3D siVeronica Karlsson My 3D siVeronic itz
stereo@hoj/v...@ludd.luth.sestereo@hoj...@ludd.luth.se.stereo@hoj...@ludd.lu
nicaaj/http://come.to/veronicaajhttp://come.to/veronicahajhttp://come.to 
m><This sig is a stereogram><This sig is a stereogram><This sig is a ste

Ilmari Karonen wrote:
[ 8< ]
> --
> ii 3D .sigXIlmari KaronenAscii 3D .sigIlmari Karonen_Ascii 3D .sigIlmari Kar
> fi....@graphic.iltzu@sci.fi.stereo@gra...@sci.fin.stereo@graphicilt
> ltzu/ba/http://www.sci.fi/~iltzu/bahttp://www.sci.fi/~iltzu/1bahttp://www.sc
>  is a stereogram!><This .sig is a stereogram!><This .sig is a stereogram!><T

That sig is very nice, (perhaps a little bit too "wide" to be
"comfortable"...) and one of the most creative spam blocks I have ever
seen.  :D

My attempt at copying it (I hope I got it right, this is not the right
time of the day for this type of brain excercise):


-- 
nMy 3D sigVeronica KarlssonMy 3D siVeronica Karlsson My 3D siVeronic itz
stereo@hoj/v...@ludd.luth.sestereo@hoj...@ludd.luth.se.stereo@hoj...@ludd.lu
nicaaj/http://come.to/veronicaajhttp://come.to/veronicahajhttp://come.to 
m><This sig is a stereogram><This sig is a stereogram><This sig is a ste

>I loved "Planiverse"--that's the same guy wasn't it?--

Indeed.

I took that book sorta maybe-halfway-seriously until the part where
"YNDRD" went on a journey.

BTW, Yendred = Derdney backwards. The author's last name is Dewdney...
hmmm...

>I even found YNDRD's home page <g>

Tell me you're joking. [lol]

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BluePard <blu...@buffnet.net> ASCII art 16 Apr 1998 00:00 · permalink · report
Brock Kevin Nambo wrote:
> 
> Ilmari Karonen wrote in message <6ggdge$3qg$1...@tron.sci.fi>...
> >aardvarko (rea...@message.com) wrote:
> >: Original text:
> >: Hello! I'm rather bored right now and wanted to try this bloody
> >: translator thingie. Anyone want a hamburger?
> >
> >: French:
> >: Bonjour! Je m'ennuie plut�t en ce moment et ai voulu essayer ce thingie
> >: sanglant de traducteur. N'importe qui veulent un hamburger?

And back: [personal interpretation]

Hello! I am bored ---- right now and have wanted to try on this thingie
---- -- ------. [negative] ----- who wants a hamburger?

Hrmm... even with my shoddy French it came closer...
> >
> >: And back:
> >:  Hello! I am bored rather in this moment and wanted to test this thingie
> >: strapping of translator. Do no matter who want a hamburger?
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