[PIC] txt stereo gram

minute a right minute a right minute a right minute a right minute a right
 down year left down year left down year left down year left down year lef
 compiler error compiler error compiler error compiler error compiler erro
i second month i second month i second month i second month i second month
er using face her using face her using face her using face her using face
 frogs all over frog all hover frog all hover frog all hover frog all hove
rt they work tart the work start the work start the work start the work st
er frogs and over frog and hover frog and hover frog and hover frog and ho
y pit at no play pit a no play spit a no play spit a no play spit a no pla
te server my date server my date server my date server my date server my d
 down year left down year left down year left down year left down year lef
 eat her makes at here makes eat here makes eat here makes eat here makes
k tart they jack tart the jack start the jack start the jack start the jac
 pore old and a pore old an a spore old an a spore old an a spore old an a
dull tart they dull tart the dull start the dull start the dull start the
oy over frogs boy over frog boy hover frog boy hover frog boy hover frog b
rt back ever fort back ever fort back ever fort back ever fort back ever f
er this is filler this is filler this is filler this is filler this is fil
of up into out of up into out of up into out of up into out of up inot out
will never act will never act will never act will never act will never wil
otally in the totally in the totally in the totally in the totally in :F_P:


######################################Tue Oct 29 2002#################

This one was very very hard to do.  It also has a bug in it that I
think is completely unfixable so I had to work around it as much as
possible while making it still usable.  The guy who made the first
one of these is a genius but didn't offer any documentation on how to
pull this off.  For instance I think that it is impossible to properly
align things so that a 5 letter word can not be in the foreground with
a flawless background yet any other odd numbered lines are not a
problem.


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> minute a right minute a right minute a right minute a right minute a right
>  down year left down year left down year left down year left down year lef
>  compiler error compiler error compiler error compiler error compiler erro

<snip>

> This one was very very hard to do.  It also has a bug in it that I

I bet :)

> think is completely unfixable so I had to work around it as much as
> possible while making it still usable.  The guy who made the first
> one of these is a genius but didn't offer any documentation on how to
> pull this off.  For instance I think that it is impossible to properly
> align things so that a 5 letter word can not be in the foreground with
> a flawless background yet any other odd numbered lines are not a
> problem.

Hm, when viewed by a normal 2eyed person that can see those things, what's it
look like? Actual text, or a picture ?

And, any chance of a jpeg or something of what it looks like when u can see
those things?

What? You don't have a network card in your head to download images from your
brain? Damn :(

T :)

 _.--- Tom Bampton spoke in alt.ascii-art --------._
> Hm, when viewed by a normal 2eyed person that can see those things, what's it
> look like? Actual text, or a picture ?

Actual text.

> And, any chance of a jpeg or something of what it looks like when u can see
> those things?

I am sure someone with some graphics software could pull it off with
very little work.  For anyone out there with the software.
     1) take a static picture of the whole thing.
     2) "tilt" it at about a 5% angle so that the bottem of the image
        is just slightly bigger than the top.
     3) and blur the whole thing just a hair.
     4) take another picture of the original and inlarge it by maybe
        5%
     5) Sharpen the key text and turn the rest of the second image
        into a 100% transparancy
     6) layer image two over image one.  Post to some binary group
        where he can see it

> What? You don't have a network card in your head to download images from your
> brain? Damn :(

Not any more.  I am trying to be social these days =)

but this one looks something like the fallowing text floating on top
of a text background:

          all
           work
            and
            no play


            makes
               jack
                 a
                   dull
                 boy


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<snip>


OOOoohh... sorry I just had to delurk.  I love the stereograms, and this is
really cool!  I am really impressed by your efforts!  (btw... i appreciate
that there are less naked women on this newsgroup now... lol)  Keep up the
good work!

Lianne

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> _.--- Tom Bampton spoke in alt.ascii-art --------._

> > And, any chance of a jpeg or something of what it looks like when u can see
> > those things?
>
> I am sure someone with some graphics software could pull it off with

I gave it a try :) It's fairly close. I wouldnt be able to tell what it was if
you hadnt told me, though. I think the version I came out with reads better ...

"frog all the work and spit a no play server my down year left here makes start
the jack" ... it's the "frog all the work bit" i like ;-) well done ;-)

I stuck it on the web here ...

http://www.tinyirc.net/stereograms/attempt1.jpg

Damn, now I have to go through all the previous messages and see what comes out
;-)

btw, even tho it's not exactly right, my initial saying when i hit paste on the
second layer to do the overlay bit was: "WOAH" .. out loud, too :)

I'm not sure if I rotated too far or made the second part too large, but a
little playing around should come up with it.

I'll post URLs to the final images I come up with if nobody objects.

 _.--- Lianne Baird spoke in alt.ascii-art --------._ 
> OOOoohh... sorry I just had to delurk.  I love the stereograms, and this is
> really cool!  I am really impressed by your efforts!  (btw... i appreciate
> that there are less naked women on this newsgroup now... lol)  Keep up the
> good work!

We still got plenty o' naked women without me posting them.  Maybe I
should do^Wdraw a few naked men?


     Butterfly              Butterfly
		      		    		    
    .-.      .-.          .-.      .-.
  /'   \    /   `\      /'     \/     `\
  | O   \oo/   O |      | OO \    / OO |
   \  .__||__.  /        \    |  |    /
    : '  ||  ` :          | O      O |
  ./o   /||\   o\.      ./O   /  \   O\.
  :F_P:' `' `:F_P:      |O_O:'    `:O_O|


######################################Tue Oct 29 2002#################

Here now we have a ASCII butterfly (to go back to my last project
before I got distracted by the 3D extravaganza.  And the one on the
left is reasonably complete for those ASCII art fans who have only one
working eye.

All of this 3D ASCII has me urging to munch on a few mushrooms and see
if I can add some color to these 3D pics.  But I haven't found any of
those in 7 years.  Should have done them when I had the chance.  But
the acid looked so much better.

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 _.--- Tom Bampton spoke in alt.ascii-art --------._ 
> I stuck it on the web here ...
> 
> http://www.tinyirc.net/stereograms/attempt1.jpg

That was not what it looks like at all.  Not in the slightest.  But it
is however very cool.

I posted the above pic to alt.binaries.misc though because you are
suffering on the bandwidth.  Anyone who wants it can do a search for
the subject "stereogram ascii pic"

I would however be curious to find out how many hits you get on that
link because I am allways curious about how many people read these
groups but never post and this is one of the best ways to approximate
that.  

> I'm not sure if I rotated too far or made the second part too large, but a
> little playing around should come up with it.

You rotated when no rotation was needed at all.  But like I said it
was stil damn cool

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> _.--- Tom Bampton spoke in alt.ascii-art --------._
> > I stuck it on the web here ...
> >
> > http://www.tinyirc.net/stereograms/attempt1.jpg
>
> That was not what it looks like at all.  Not in the slightest.  But it
> is however very cool.

When you move the layer around the sort of "gap" thing moves with it, which
hurts your eyes a bit. Quite funny.

> I posted the above pic to alt.binaries.misc though because you are
> suffering on the bandwidth.  Anyone who wants it can do a search for
> the subject "stereogram ascii pic"

My server's been having routing problems last couple of days, which doesnt help
much in the bandwidth area :/

> I would however be curious to find out how many hits you get on that
> link because I am allways curious about how many people read these
> groups but never post and this is one of the best ways to approximate
> that.

[eden] tinyirc/logs# grep attempt1.jpg access_log | wc -l
       2

So, um, that's once when i tested the link and once when you downloaded it :)
But then, it hasnt been that long so :) I'll check it tommorow and see how it
went.

I just put up butterfly.jpg candy.jpg and karla.jpg in the same directory, but
they didnt come out very well. I think perhaps I'm not understanding exactly
what you meant with the method. I'll play around with it some more and see if I
can get it right. Not being able to actually see the stereogram in the first
place doesnt really help, though :)

> > I'm not sure if I rotated too far or made the second part too large, but a
> > little playing around should come up with it.
>
> You rotated when no rotation was needed at all.  But like I said it
> was stil damn cool

Ahhh. I'll try again without the rotation. I think I misunderstood what you
meant by tilt ... something like this? (exaggerated)
  ______
 /      \
/________\

or
__________
\        /
 \______/

or
________
|       \
|        |
|        |
|_______/

(where that's a sort of non pointy |> thing, but i am too lazy to figure out the
lines)

or
   _______
  /       |
 |        |
 |        |
  \_______|

(again, more a non pointy <| and lazyness)

And with key text, did u mean cut out everything except the words that are
supposed to be there ?

Whilst writing this, I did attempt2.jpg in same place, thats same as before but
with no rotate. attempt3.jpg was an experiment with resizing. You might not want
to look at it, it will make your eyes go extremely blurry! Mine are still messed
up now and I only looked at it long enough to save it :/

T.

 _.--- Tom Bampton spoke in alt.ascii-art --------._ 
> [eden] tinyirc/logs# grep attempt1.jpg access_log | wc -l
>        2

I checked it pritty fast.  And now that its posted on a binaries group
where the bandwidith isn't going to be much of an issue I don't know
if you will get many its.

> I just put up butterfly.jpg candy.jpg and karla.jpg in the same directory, but
> they didnt come out very well.

Well each one has to be handled differently.  The instructions I
posted were just for that one drawing.  But they did work out rather
well.  Now just take those images and think about how they would look
full screen size and where the layers over lap just so that the parts
that are seen over lapping each other are more "forward" and the
parts that appear only once are more "residual" and thus the effect of
depth is complete.

> Ahhh. I'll try again without the rotation. I think I misunderstood what you
> meant by tilt ... something like this? (exaggerated)
>   ______
>  /      \
> /________\

This would work best.  And remember to set the transparancy to 100% on
the second one accept where the text I designated is which should be
set to 0% trans.

> And with key text, did u mean cut out everything except the words that are
> supposed to be there ?

Take thos words and amp them as discribed and make them solid
(including their background) and everything around them transparent.


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Hi Tom

It is very difficult to represent the 3d ascii pictures because normally
when something is close to you it appears larger. In stereo-grams the closer
things become smaller! (very slightly). But they still seem closer!

How do you explain to someone who is blind what it is like to see? Things
seem outside of you but they can't be.
(maybe that is slightly less pronounced when looking through one eye. I have
noticed that things appear slightly less bright, and slightly less detailed)

Your picture does express something about the *process* of seeing a 3d
image, because the characters begin to overlap. But you have shown them
overlapping vertically, whereas actually they would only overlap
horizontally. A good way to demonstrate this would be to use an animation.

But your picture is excellent, because the very centre shows that clarity
which emerges when the 3d information comes together, ie overlapping of
identical characters.

regards - Michael



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> I stuck it on the web here ...
>
> http://www.tinyirc.net/stereograms/attempt1.jpg

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> It is very difficult to represent the 3d ascii pictures because normally
> when something is close to you it appears larger. In stereo-grams the closer
> things become smaller! (very slightly). But they still seem closer!

Hah, I discovered that after a few minutes messing abnout with it ;-)

> How do you explain to someone who is blind what it is like to see? Things

On the flip side, how do you explain to someone who can see what it's like to be
blind ? Most normally sighted people cannot comprehend it. I have been blind in
one eye (sorry to repeat, dont know if u saw previous threads) since I was 2 or
3, and thus have never seen nor ever will see what a stereogram looks like for
real. Which means all I have to go on is what people tell me, and like you say
explaining that is very difficult.

I'm going to try FP's other suggestions a bit later on and see how it turns out.

> seem outside of you but they can't be.
> (maybe that is slightly less pronounced when looking through one eye. I have
> noticed that things appear slightly less bright, and slightly less detailed)

What I see and what you see when you look through one eye is probably completely
different, since thats all I'm used to and my brain's adjusted to it.

> Your picture does express something about the *process* of seeing a 3d
> image, because the characters begin to overlap. But you have shown them
> overlapping vertically, whereas actually they would only overlap
> horizontally. A good way to demonstrate this would be to use an animation.

Aha! That actually helps a lot. Hopefully eventually I'll get it right. Then I
can see properly all those stereograms posted recently ;-)

> But your picture is excellent, because the very centre shows that clarity
> which emerges when the 3d information comes together, ie overlapping of
> identical characters.

It also hurts my eye heheh. I was very very shocked when I saw it sort of work.
That's one thing about doing it this way, the change is instant, drammatic and
it stays there. Though, it may be that way with the normal way of seeing them,
but i dunno :)

T.

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>minute a right minute a right minute a right minute a right minute a right
> down year left down year left down year left down year left down year lef

[snip of the rest of a brilliant stereogram]

> 
>######################################Tue Oct 29 2002#################
> 
>This one was very very hard to do. 

[snip]

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FP, that stereogram was great! It reminds me of the lemon juice writing we
used to do in between the lines on letters to send "secret" messages to
our friends. I wonder if there is a way to have the outer text make some
semblance of sense and STILL have the stereogram... (just in case you
didn't think this one wasn't hard enough to construct)

obASCII-art:  lemon slices
              ,, ".
      , " .  :;_\,_:
     ;__\,_: .. /` ,
     .  /` ,  ``. "
      ` . "


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> "MichaelLowe" <mic...@chimail.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> > It is very difficult to represent the 3d ascii pictures because normally
> > when something is close to you it appears larger. In stereo-grams the
closer
> > things become smaller! (very slightly). But they still seem closer!
>
> Hah, I discovered that after a few minutes messing abnout with it ;-)
>


Actually I have no idea why that happens. Maybe there are some scientist out
there who understand it?


<SNIP>
> On the flip side, how do you explain to someone who can see what it's like
to be
> blind ? Most normally sighted people cannot comprehend it. I have been
blind in


You are right. it is very difficult to understand. I think that if I became
blind i would have to change quite abit. Maybe my ways of interacting with
others would have to change - and maybe I would have to become more aware.

I guess that being blind in one eye it is something you have thought about
alot and understand well?


> one eye (sorry to repeat, dont know if u saw previous threads) since I was
2 or
> 3, and thus have never seen nor ever will see what a stereogram looks like
for
> real. Which means all I have to go on is what people tell me, and like you
say
> explaining that is very difficult.
>

It is the distances that the identical characters are spaced apart which
determines how far or close the characters will apear when viewed
stereo-scopically. The closer together they are horizontally, the nearer
they project stereo-scopically. The further apart horozontally, the further
back they appear. Somehow the brain is able to capture all of this
information simultaneously (There are limits to the range of variation in
depth which can be viewed simultaneously though) - to create a very vivid,
multi-layered image. The characters in the for-ground, and those in the
background, have the same degree of detail. Somehow they all appear more
vivid.

<SNIP>

> It also hurts my eye heheh. I was very very shocked when I saw it sort of
work.

Does it get tiring having to see things through one eye? Or have you got
used to it?


Michael

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> > "MichaelLowe" <mic...@chimail.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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> >
> > > It is very difficult to represent the 3d ascii pictures because normally
> > > when something is close to you it appears larger. In stereo-grams the
> closer
> > > things become smaller! (very slightly). But they still seem closer!
> >
> > Hah, I discovered that after a few minutes messing abnout with it ;-)
> >
>
> Actually I have no idea why that happens. Maybe there are some scientist out
> there who understand it?

The way the eye works is complex ... if you have two eyes, the left eye and
right eye do not look at the same thing. They're slightly to the side of each
other and the brain puts the two images together to make something 3D. With
time, the brain can compensate and with one eye you can see pseudo-3D, that is
you can judge depth as well as you could with 2 eyes. That's my limited
understanding of it anyway, but trying to replicate that effect in a paint
program is pretty damn difficult as I've been finding out :)

> <SNIP>
> > On the flip side, how do you explain to someone who can see what it's like
> to be
> > blind ? Most normally sighted people cannot comprehend it. I have been
> blind in
>
>
> You are right. it is very difficult to understand. I think that if I became
> blind i would have to change quite abit. Maybe my ways of interacting with
> others would have to change - and maybe I would have to become more aware.

As soon as you lose sight, your other senses become much much better then they
were previously. Your hearing improves immensely, and your 6th sense does too.
It's weird and hard to explain. The humain brain adepts extremely quickly to
circumstances, and most of that adapting you're not even aware of. So, really,
it's not a case of "have to become more aware," it just happens and you realise
it has after the fact. Try walking around your house and doing the things you
usually do with your eyes shut (or blindfolded, which is easier) ... you'll find
you dont actually need to see, because where everything is is so imprinted on
your brain you can do anything from making a cup of tea to taking a leak without
the need of vision. If you're taken out of that environment, e.g. you go to a
shop, it becomes much much harder because the locations of things are not
imprinted in your mind and thus you have trouble, and probably need someone to
help you.

> I guess that being blind in one eye it is something you have thought about
> alot and understand well?

Yeh, I think about it quite a lot. Like the 3D thing I said above. I have no
trouble judging depth or distance, and as far as I'm concerned I can see in 3D.
Of course, no normally sighted person or doctor will agree with me on that one
since it's not real 3D. I suppose you can think of it in terms of a 3D computer
game. The depth in that is just an illusion based on colours on the screen,
likewise light and shadow give my vision depth.

The part most sighted people have problems understanding is when you're blind,
you can't see *ANYTHING*. It's absolutely nothing like shutting your eyes,
because when you do that you are seeing black, which if you're blind you can't
even see that. It's very very difficult to comprehend unless you've been there.

> > 3, and thus have never seen nor ever will see what a stereogram looks like
> for
> > real. Which means all I have to go on is what people tell me, and like you
> say
> > explaining that is very difficult.
> >
>
> It is the distances that the identical characters are spaced apart which
> determines how far or close the characters will apear when viewed
> stereo-scopically. The closer together they are horizontally, the nearer
> they project stereo-scopically. The further apart horozontally, the further
> back they appear. Somehow the brain is able to capture all of this

Aha! that makes sense now.

> information simultaneously (There are limits to the range of variation in
> depth which can be viewed simultaneously though) - to create a very vivid,
> multi-layered image. The characters in the for-ground, and those in the
> background, have the same degree of detail. Somehow they all appear more
> vivid.

One thing I noticed with messing around with the streogram was when two
characters overlap, it makes them more bold. The background chars are lighter
which gives the sense of depth. It's probably something like that that gives the
vividness. I am usually really good at visualisation, but this is giving me a
headache because the image is so complex it's hard for me to visualise how it's
supposed to be.

> > It also hurts my eye heheh. I was very very shocked when I saw it sort of
> work.
>
> Does it get tiring having to see things through one eye? Or have you got
> used to it?

I'm used to it. I've been this way for over 20 years. Sometimes my eye gets
tired. When I was at school I was known to type entire reports on the computer
with my eyes shut, including formatting and everything, mostly because sometimes
staring at a computer screen hurts. Tho, for some reason certain pictures makes
my eyes water like hell. They sort of draw you into them and your brain is
arguing with what you see and it just makes your head spin. I have a few
pictures I made a while back like that, as well as that "stereogram" when I was
messing around with the resize part.


T.

 _.--- llizard spoke in alt.ascii-art --------._ 
> our friends. I wonder if there is a way to have the outer text make some
> semblance of sense and STILL have the stereogram... (just in case you
> didn't think this one wasn't hard enough to construct)

You will quickly find out that it would be impossable to do one.  As I
mentioned that one had a bug right before "makes" because you can't
have a 5 letter word and have it work properly.  And thats just one of
the things getting in the way.

Now Rodney Hamilton was nice enough to tell me how to fix the bug but
it breaks the one space between each word rule.  Here is the fixed
version:

minute a right minute a right minute a right minute a right minute a right
 down year left down year left down year left down year left down year lef
 compiler error compiler error compiler error compiler error compiler erro
i second month i second month i second month i second month i second month
er using face her using face her using face her using face her using face
 frogs all over frog all hover frog all hover frog all hover frog all hove
rt they work tart the work start the work start the work start the work st
er frogs and over frog and hover frog and hover frog and hover frog and ho
y pit at no play pit a no play spit a no play spit a no play spit a no pla
te server my date server my date server my date server my date server my d
 down year left down year left down year left down year left down year lef
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> it's not a case of "have to become more aware," it just happens and you
realise
> it has after the fact. Try walking around your house and doing the things
you
> usually do with your eyes shut (or blindfolded, which is easier) ...

I've had lots of practice at that -like when my card meter runs out of
electricity ;)


> since it's not real 3D. I suppose you can think of it in terms of a 3D
computer
> game. The depth in that is just an illusion based on colours on the
screen,
> likewise light and shadow give my vision depth.

That makes alot of sense


> The part most sighted people have problems understanding is when you're
blind,
> you can't see *ANYTHING*. It's absolutely nothing like shutting your eyes,
> because when you do that you are seeing black, which if you're blind you
can't
> even see that. It's very very difficult to comprehend unless you've been
there.

But there must be some kind of internal vision. I'm thinking about some kind
of aura in the minds eye... maybe even colors?


> One thing I noticed with messing around with the streogram was when two
> characters overlap, it makes them more bold. The background chars are
lighter
> which gives the sense of depth. It's probably something like that that
gives the
> vividness. I am usually really good at visualisation, but this is giving
me a
> headache because the image is so complex it's hard for me to visualise how
it's
> supposed to be.

Picture a herd of zebras. Then imagine that a few are standing closer to
you, but they are smaller, young zebras, so they do not appear larger than
the zebras in the background (just very slightly smaller). And all of the
zebras have the same amount of detail, and the same clarity (which is more
vivid than normal.)

The strong sense of depth is there but all the usual clues of depth are
absent.


> tired. When I was at school I was known to type entire reports on the
computer
> with my eyes shut, including formatting and everything, mostly because
sometimes

Your powers of visualisation must be very strong..