Alternative uses of ascii art

Pete Casso ha scritto nel messaggio <367...@sympatico.ca>...
>Laura, I think you will have more luck with socalled "solid style" than
>"line style" ascii art. Solid style ascii art is analogous to brush
>painting, filling in areas. Line style ascii art is analogous to pencil
>drawing, tracing outlines. Allen Mullen has done great solid style ascii
>art, search the web for his site.

Yep i was talkin about solid ascii-art, even though I didn't know there was
a difference in terms, I just see it as 2 different ways to ascii-draw.
Line art is stitchable too, but you should stick to straight lines, i.e. no
() things, if you could draw something with -_/\| only it could make a great
backstitch (i.s. x-stitch by filling the square sides and diagonals)


><grin> Here is someone who understands that ascii art as an artform is
>independent from medium. The ascii art here will live in a cross-stitch
>medium! <very big grin>



Well here again I never thought there was a doubt. The only limit of ascii
art is that it only looks great on the screen, now that we have been spoiled
by photoshop layers and photo-quality printers. I remember how astonished I
was when my mom did me a Xmas card with an ascii (no,  it was a mechanic
typewriter, ascii probably didn't exist yet) with a Xmas tree made out of
the word merry christmas. I was 5 years old and it was the 70's, so ascii
art is a memory of childhood to me. That's why I keep trying to bring it
back to real life by stitching :))

ciao ciao

Lester5374 ha scritto nel messaggio
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>     I have no idea what you are talking about. Do you happen to have a
graphic
>example of what you did (counting the crosses in the Excel sheet) on a web
page
>somewhere? That might help a little.

http://www.geocities.com/MadisonAvenue/2565/
is my very-old homepage, and it has a link to my x-stitch chartson the main
page I did these, then i restarted buying the magazines :))). Snapshots from
Excel sheets, actually, but you can imagine it as a sequence of ascii, or so
i hope. The problem is, it is absolutely necessary to have a squared grid to
follow when stitching, so my limit to stitching ascii art directly is that
i's so hard to recount the Xs...

>     But from what you've said about placing the ASCII into spreadsheets, I
>can't imagine how difficult that would be. All you would have to do is
re-enter
>the picture by hand one symbol at a time, it can't be THAT time-consuming,
can
>it? I use spreadsheets all the time, you can make all of the cells
uniformly
>shaped very easily, and copying and pasting the ASCII letters one at a time
>would be easy too.

Yes you are not wrong. In fact, ascii art is your hobby, where I'm neither
patient not precise :)
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Firedraake ha scritto nel messaggio
<368...@news.earthlink.net>...
>
>When I was in grade school, we used to draw small x's in the squares of
>that fine graph paper -- not the kind with the larger blocks, but the kind
>with areas squared of with bold lines, containing 5x5 blocks of smaller
>squares.
>
>We would use map color pencils to write an "x" into each square to complete
>an image.  In that respect, one could essentially start with a background
>with a grid of x's and use an HTML editor to color them... or even a
>program like WordPad for Win95, though the colors used for WordPad are more
>limited than HTML colors.
>
Yep that's it! Only...I can't draw! here in Italy we say  "i can't draw a
circle around a cup". That's why I was hoping you had a way to produce (and
sell) ready-to-stitch ascii art :)

Hi I'm Laura, writing from Italy, and I have a peculiar question for you.
My main hobby is cross-stitch and my main dream is to find a way to convert
ascii art into counted cross-stitch charts. I managed once, with a Mickey
Mouse I found on the web, but it was a terribly hard job, I basically had to
count the ascii crosses and put them into Excel. it took more time to do the
chart than to stitch it!!
I don't know if you have an idea how expensive x-stitch charts are, but this
is certainly a great business idea that I'm giving you for free (well I
expect you to sell your cards to others and give them to me 4 free actually
:)) )

So, if you could manage to draw your ascii wonders using a "squared" font,
and using characters as colour codes (i.e. x always means black, o always
means white, etc.), and if it was possible to have the art drawn into
squares, like we had to do on our first grade workbooks, I think it would be
a great opportunity not only to get rich, but also to see your drawings
emboidered...

what do you think?

"LaurA" <nom...@nospam.com> posted:
<74po9m$rid$2...@news.flashnet.it>

> So, if you could manage to draw your ascii wonders using a "squared" font,
> and using characters as colour codes (i.e. x always means black, o always
> means white, etc.), and if it was possible to have the art drawn into
> squares, like we had to do on our first grade workbooks, I think it would be
> a great opportunity not only to get rich, but also to see your drawings
> emboidered...

When I was in grade school, we used to draw small x's in the squares of
that fine graph paper -- not the kind with the larger blocks, but the kind
with areas squared of with bold lines, containing 5x5 blocks of smaller
squares.

We would use map color pencils to write an "x" into each square to complete
an image.  In that respect, one could essentially start with a background
with a grid of x's and use an HTML editor to color them... or even a
program like WordPad for Win95, though the colors used for WordPad are more
limited than HTML colors.

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Although, judging by the lowercase then upper case x's above, one might
almost need a special font to pull it off to where the bottom of one row of
x's touches the top row of the next, so it looks like genuine cross-stitch.
The lower-cased x is better... and it looks especially good in monotype.com
because there are no bumps or ridges on the ends of the sticks.

Such a font shouldn't be hard to create because the only character needed
is an "x".  It would be a tiny file.  I don't have a font editor or I'd try
making one, but creating images in this way sounds like a reasonable
endeavor. :)  A page loaded with x's.  Hmmm.  I might try it myself... but
with Netscape crashing every time I want to do something creative, I
hesitate to indulge myself.

Besides, I have a hard time converting imagination to tangibility.  It just
doesn't work for me like it does for others. :/

Firedraake

>Subject: Alternative uses of ascii art
>From: "LaurA" <nom...@nospam.com>
>Date: 12/10/98 6:55 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <74po9m$rid$2...@news.flashnet.it>
>
>Hi I'm Laura, writing from Italy, and I have a peculiar question for you.
>My main hobby is cross-stitch and my main dream is to find a way to convert
>ascii art into counted cross-stitch charts. I managed once, with a Mickey
>Mouse I found on the web, but it was a terribly hard job, I basically had to
>count the ascii crosses and put them into Excel. it took more time to do the
>chart than to stitch it!!
>I don't know if you have an idea how expensive x-stitch charts are, but this
>is certainly a great business idea that I'm giving you for free (well I
>expect you to sell your cards to others and give them to me 4 free actually
>:)) )
>
>So, if you could manage to draw your ascii wonders using a "squared" font,
>and using characters as colour codes (i.e. x always means black, o always
>means white, etc.), and if it was possible to have the art drawn into
>squares, like we had to do on our first grade workbooks, I think it would be
>a great opportunity not only to get rich, but also to see your drawings
>emboidered...
>
>what do you think?

     I have no idea what you are talking about. Do you happen to have a graphic
example of what you did (counting the crosses in the Excel sheet) on a web page
somewhere? That might help a little. 
     But from what you've said about placing the ASCII into spreadsheets, I
can't imagine how difficult that would be. All you would have to do is re-enter
the picture by hand one symbol at a time, it can't be THAT time-consuming, can
it? I use spreadsheets all the time, you can make all of the cells uniformly
shaped very easily, and copying and pasting the ASCII letters one at a time
would be easy too.
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> Hi I'm Laura, writing from Italy, and I have a peculiar question for you.
> My main hobby is cross-stitch and my main dream is to find a way to convert
> ascii art into counted cross-stitch charts. I managed once, with a Mickey

Laura, I think you will have more luck with socalled "solid style" than
"line style" ascii art. Solid style ascii art is analogous to brush
painting, filling in areas. Line style ascii art is analogous to pencil
drawing, tracing outlines. Allen Mullen has done great solid style ascii
art, search the web for his site.

<grin> Here is someone who understands that ascii art as an artform is
independent from medium. The ascii art here will live in a cross-stitch
medium! <very big grin>

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> Such a font shouldn't be hard to create because the only character needed
> is an "x".  It would be a tiny file.  I don't have a font editor or I'd try
> making one, but creating images in this way sounds like a reasonable
> endeavor. :)  A page loaded with x's.  Hmmm.  I might try it myself... but
> with Netscape crashing every time I want to do something creative, I
> hesitate to indulge myself.

I don't know how well this would work for y'all, but it wouldn't be hard
(for me, anyway) to load up a certain DOS font editor which lets you set the
character height. I could make a very plain looking font (something that
looks like a dos-Arial), with a size of 8x8. This would give you a screen
size of 50x80, and you could do the work in *gasp* a plain text file in
edit, or qedit, or ne, or any other dos editor you want...
As for displaying in a spreadsheet type thing, I could easily write a
program which displays the text file in graphics mode, putting a darkish
line between.

Or (although it would take longer!) I could write a whole editor, including
coloring... which also means being able to edit on any color background,
with any color square.. (and the possibility of turning the grid off while
editting to see it better:)

Lets all get together. <G> Interesting group. Some ascii-artists, a couple
cross-stichers, some art-appreciators, and a programmer/dos guru/computer
guy/web designer/animator/troubleshooter/... to pull 'em all together. ;)

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LaurA schrieb in Nachricht <74po9m$rid$2...@news.flashnet.it>...
>Hi I'm Laura, writing from Italy, and I have a peculiar question for you.
>My main hobby is cross-stitch and my main dream is to find a way to convert
>ascii art into counted cross-stitch charts. I managed once, with a Mickey
>Mouse I found on the web, but it was a terribly hard job, I basically had to
>count the ascii crosses and put them into Excel. it took more time to do the
>chart than to stitch it!!


I don't know what cross-stitch is, but I how you can import a textfile in a charts program
like Excel.
With a tool you can convert a text file in a csv file. Every character is put in a single
cell and you can open the file as cvs textfile with many programs.
Download: (ZIP,26Kb,DOS)
http://studenten.freepage.de/meph/prog/csv.zip



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>Subject: Re: Alternative uses of ascii art
>From: "LaurA" <nom...@nospam.com>
>Date: 12/11/98 3:55 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <74s4p7$838$2...@news.flashnet.it>
>
>
>Lester5374 ha scritto nel messaggio
><199...@ng55.aol.com>...
>>     I have no idea what you are talking about. Do you happen to have a
>graphic
>>example of what you did (counting the crosses in the Excel sheet) on a web
>page
>>somewhere? That might help a little.
>
>http://www.geocities.com/MadisonAvenue/2565/
>is my very-old homepage, and it has a link to my x-stitch chartson the main
>page I did these, then i restarted buying the magazines :))). Snapshots from

     Ahh, I see the light from looking at your homepage. The stitches are made
out of colored blocks, or just blocks. each character would have to be made out
of blocks? Or there can be a symbol or letter or number inserted to each block?
In either case, I'm lost, sorry.

>Excel sheets, actually, but you can imagine it as a sequence of ascii, or so
>i hope. The problem is, it is absolutely necessary to have a squared grid to
>follow when stitching, so my limit to stitching ascii art directly is that
>i's so hard to recount the Xs...
>
>>     But from what you've said about placing the ASCII into spreadsheets, I
>>can't imagine how difficult that would be. All you would have to do is
>re-enter
>>the picture by hand one symbol at a time, it can't be THAT time-consuming,
>can
>>it? I use spreadsheets all the time, you can make all of the cells
>uniformly
>>shaped very easily, and copying and pasting the ASCII letters one at a time
>>would be easy too.
>
>Yes you are not wrong. In fact, ascii art is your hobby, where I'm neither
>patient not precise :)

     Sorry.

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>>     .-~~-.
>>    (_^..^_) Gee! This Tamagotchi is purely LOVELY!

     Hehe. It does look like that, but it was supposed to be a skull, and
someone else thought it was a mushroom cloud from a bomb. :)
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LaurA wrote:
> My main hobby is cross-stitch and my main dream is to find a way to convert
> ascii art into counted cross-stitch charts. I managed once, with a Mickey
> Mouse I found on the web, but it was a terribly hard job, I basically had to
> count the ascii crosses and put them into Excel. it took more time to do the
> chart than to stitch it!! [ 8< ]

No need to mess with ascii art. (Assuming you're a Windows user) Draw
your picture in "paintbrush" (or some similar program). "Zoom" in on the
picture. You'll now see coloured squares in a grid (one per pixel). Make
a screen shot (hit "Print Screen", open a new image in paintbrush and
paste...).


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> Well here again I never thought there was a doubt. The only limit of ascii
> art is that it only looks great on the screen, now that we have been spoiled
> by photoshop layers and photo-quality printers. I remember how astonished I
> was when my mom did me a Xmas card with an ascii (no,  it was a mechanic
> typewriter, ascii probably didn't exist yet) with a Xmas tree made out of
> the word merry christmas. I was 5 years old and it was the 70's, so ascii
> art is a memory of childhood to me. That's why I keep trying to bring it
> back to real life by stitching :))

ASCII in the form we know now has existed since 1965. Character
graphics were done on computers before that, though. Before
computers, they were done on typewriters. And before typewriters....
Would you believe there's an example in _Alice in Wonderland_?

Dan

     It looks good on paper too.

> Well here again I never thought there was a doubt. The only limit of ascii
> art is that it only looks great on the screen, now that we have been spoiled
> by photoshop layers and photo-quality printers. I remember how astonished I
> was when my mom did me a Xmas card with an ascii (no,  it was a mechanic
> typewriter, ascii probably didn't exist yet) with a Xmas tree made out of
> the word merry christmas. I was 5 years old and it was the 70's, so ascii
> art is a memory of childhood to me. That's why I keep trying to bring it
> back to real life by stitching :))
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