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Original Usenet thread from alt.ascii-art, started 16 Aug 1998.
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Tic Tac Stein

Tic Tac Stein

alt.ascii-art · 10 messages · 16 Aug 1998 - 30 Aug 1998
Pete Casso wrote:
> 
> Tic Tac Toe is trivial, but Tic Tac Stein is perhaps not so trivial!
> 
> +-------+-------+-------+-------+
> |       |       |       |       |  Tic Tac Stein is the same game
> |       |       |       |       |  as Tic Tac Toe, but using the
> |       |       |       |       |  4 x 4 board on the left.
> +-------+-------+-------+-------+
> |       |  .oo  |       |       |  The stones used in this game are:
> |       | (  -) |       |       |
> |       |  " "  |       |       |   .oo        _==_
> +-------+-------+-------+-------+  (  -)  and  ( ">
> |       |       |       |       |   " "
> |       |       |       |       |    |
> |       |       |       |       |    begins first.
> +-------+-------+-------+-------+
> |       |       |       |       |  You win, if you line up 3 stones
> |       |       |       |       |  horizontally, or vertically, or
> |       |       |       |       |  diagonally!
> +-------+-------+-------+-------+
> The 'steins Copyright 1997-1998 Pete Casso. All rights reserved.
> 
>                        .oo                _==_
> In the example below  (  -)  wins, since  ( ">  neglected to block.
>                        " "
> +-------+-------+-------+-------+
> |  .oo  |       |       |       |  Tic Tac Stein is the same game
> | (  -) |       |       |       |  as Tic Tac Toe, but using the
> |  " "  |       |       |       |  4 x 4 board on the left.
> +-------+-------+-------+-------+
> |       |  .oo  |       |       |  The stones used in this game are:
> |       | (  -) |       |       |
> |       |  " "  |       |       |   .oo        _==_
> +-------+-------+-------+-------+  (  -)  and  ( ">
> |       |       |  .oo  |       |   " "
> |       |       | (  -) |       |    |
> |       |       |  " "  |       |    begins first.
> +-------+-------+-------+-------+
> |       |       | _==_  | _==_  |  You win, if you line up 3 stones
> |       |       | ( ">  | ( ">  |  horizontally, or vertically, or
> |       |       |       |       |  diagonally!
> +-------+-------+-------+-------+
> The 'steins Copyright 1997-1998 Pete Casso. All rights reserved.
> 
> If I have more time, I will put this game on my website and you can play
> on-line against a computerized version of Tic Tac Stein!
> 
> (Is there perhaps an on-line version already in existence, albeit without
> using the 'steins as the playing stones?)
> 
> ================================================================
> []                                                            []
> []   /(      )\     Visit the Gallery of the 'steins!         []
> []  ( ">    <" )   http://www3.sympatico.ca/petecasso/        []
> []   (> )><( <)   Woodpeckersteins dancing the boogie-woogie  []
> []     ^^  ^^                                                 []
> ================================================================

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Clemens 'Gullevek' Schwaighofer wrote:
> 
> Pete Casso wrote:
> >
> > +-------+-------+-------+-------+
> > |       |       |       |       |  Tic Tac Stein is the same game
> > |       |       |       |       |  as Tic Tac Toe, but using the
> > |       |       |       |       |  4 x 4 board on the left.
> > +-------+-------+-------+-------+
> > |       |  .oo  |       |       |  The stones used in this game are:
> > |       | (  -) |       |       |
> > |       |  " "  |       |       |   .oo        _==_
> > +-------+-------+-------+-------+  (  -)  and  ( ">
> > |       |       | _==_  |       |   " "
> > |       |       | ( ">  |       |    |
> > |       |       |       |       |    begins first.
> > +-------+-------+-------+-------+
> > |       |       |       |       |  You win, if you line up 3 stones
> > |       |       |       |       |  horizontally, or vertically, or
> > |       |       |       |       |  diagonally!
> > +-------+-------+-------+-------+
> > The 'steins Copyright 1997-1998 Pete Casso. All rights reserved.

================================================================
[]                                                            []
[]   /(      )\     Visit the Gallery of the 'steins!         []
[]  ( ">    <" )   http://www3.sympatico.ca/petecasso/        []
[]   (> )><( <)   Woodpeckersteins dancing the boogie-woogie  []
[]     ^^  ^^                                                 []
================================================================

Pete Casso wrote:
> 
> Clemens 'Gullevek' Schwaighofer wrote:
> >
> > Pete Casso wrote:
> > >
> > > +-------+-------+-------+-------+
> > > |       |       |       |       |  Tic Tac Stein is the same game
> > > |       |       |       |       |  as Tic Tac Toe, but using the
> > > |       |       |       |       |  4 x 4 board on the left.
> > > +-------+-------+-------+-------+
> > > |       |  .oo  |       |       |  The stones used in this game are:
> > > |       | (  -) |       |       |
> > > |       |  " "  |       |       |   .oo        _==_
> > > +-------+-------+-------+-------+  (  -)  and  ( ">
> > > |       |  .oo  | _==_  |       |   " "
> > > |       | (  -) | ( ">  |       |    |
> > > |       |  " "  |       |       |    begins first.
> > > +-------+-------+-------+-------+
> > > |       |       |       |       |  You win, if you line up 3 stones
> > > |       |       |       |       |  horizontally, or vertically, or
> > > |       |       |       |       |  diagonally!
> > > +-------+-------+-------+-------+
> > > The 'steins Copyright 1997-1998 Pete Casso. All rights reserved.

P            I lost, Holy Chairman Moo!
e           I got other things to do!
t          Holy cow!
e         Ciao!
C        /
a    o.o
s   ( - )     oo. ? Our Creator has become very odd ...
s   (>:<)    (-  )
o    ^ ^      " "
980816 http://www3.sympatico.ca/petecasso/

> > +-------+-------+-------+-------+
> > |       |       |       |       |  Tic Tac Stein is the same game
> > |       |       |       |       |  as Tic Tac Toe, but using the
> > |       |       |       |       |  4 x 4 board on the left.
> > +-------+-------+-------+-------+
> > |       |  .oo  |       |       |  The stones used in this game are:
> > |       | (  -) |       |       |
> > |       |  " "  |       |       |   .oo        _==_
> > +-------+-------+-------+-------+  (  -)  and  ( ">
> > |       |       | _==_  |       |   " "
> > |       |       | ( ">  |       |    |
> > |       |       |       |       |    begins first.
> > +-------+-------+-------+-------+
> > |       |       |       |       |  You win, if you line up 3 stones
> > |       |       |       |       |  horizontally, or vertically, or
> > |       |       |       |       |  diagonally!
> > +-------+-------+-------+-------+
> > The 'steins Copyright 1997-1998 Pete Casso. All rights reserved.
-- 
                  Henning `Faroul' Peters  -  far...@gmx.net
                    Kissing is like drinking salted water:
                    you drink, and your thirst increases...

Pete Casso <pet...@sympatico.ca> ASCII art 16 Aug 1998 00:00 · permalink · report
Tic Tac Toe is trivial, but Tic Tac Stein is perhaps not so trivial!

+-------+-------+-------+-------+
|       |       |       |       |  Tic Tac Stein is the same game
|       |       |       |       |  as Tic Tac Toe, but using the
|       |       |       |       |  4 x 4 board on the left.
+-------+-------+-------+-------+
|       |       |       |       |  The stones used in this game are:
|       |       |       |       |
|       |       |       |       |   .oo        _==_
+-------+-------+-------+-------+  (  -)  and  ( ">
|       |       |       |       |   " "
|       |       |       |       |    |
|       |       |       |       |    begins first.
+-------+-------+-------+-------+
|       |       |       |       |  You win, if you line up 3 stones
|       |       |       |       |  horizontally, or vertically, or
|       |       |       |       |  diagonally!
+-------+-------+-------+-------+
The 'steins Copyright 1997-1998 Pete Casso. All rights reserved.


                       .oo                _==_
In the example below  (  -)  wins, since  ( ">  neglected to block.
                       " "
+-------+-------+-------+-------+
|  .oo  |       |       |       |  Tic Tac Stein is the same game
| (  -) |       |       |       |  as Tic Tac Toe, but using the
|  " "  |       |       |       |  4 x 4 board on the left.
+-------+-------+-------+-------+
|       |  .oo  |       |       |  The stones used in this game are:
|       | (  -) |       |       |
|       |  " "  |       |       |   .oo        _==_
+-------+-------+-------+-------+  (  -)  and  ( ">
|       |       |  .oo  |       |   " "
|       |       | (  -) |       |    |
|       |       |  " "  |       |    begins first.
+-------+-------+-------+-------+
|       |       | _==_  | _==_  |  You win, if you line up 3 stones
|       |       | ( ">  | ( ">  |  horizontally, or vertically, or
|       |       |       |       |  diagonally!
+-------+-------+-------+-------+
The 'steins Copyright 1997-1998 Pete Casso. All rights reserved.


If I have more time, I will put this game on my website and you can play
on-line against a computerized version of Tic Tac Stein! 

(Is there perhaps an on-line version already in existence, albeit without
using the 'steins as the playing stones?)

================================================================
[]                                                            []
[]   /(      )\     Visit the Gallery of the 'steins!         []
[]  ( ">    <" )   http://www3.sympatico.ca/petecasso/        []
[]   (> )><( <)   Woodpeckersteins dancing the boogie-woogie  []
[]     ^^  ^^                                                 []
================================================================

Pete Casso wrote:
> 
> Pete Casso wrote:
> >
> > Clemens 'Gullevek' Schwaighofer wrote:
> > >
> > > Pete Casso wrote:
> > > >
> > > > +-------+-------+-------+-------+
> > > > |       |       |       |       |  Tic Tac Stein is the same game
> > > > |       |       |       |       |  as Tic Tac Toe, but using the
> > > > |       |       |       |       |  4 x 4 board on the left.
> > > > +-------+-------+-------+-------+
> > > > |       |  .oo  |       |       |  The stones used in this game are:
> > > > |       | (  -) |       |       |
> > > > |       |  " "  |       |       |   .oo        _==_
> > > > +-------+-------+-------+-------+  (  -)  and  ( ">
> > > > |       |  .oo  | _==_  |       |   " "
> > > > |       | (  -) | ( ">  |       |    |
> > > > |       |  " "  |       |       |    begins first.
> > > > +-------+-------+-------+-------+
> > > > |       |       |       |       |  You win, if you line up 3 stones
> > > > |       |       |       |       |  horizontally, or vertically, or
> > > > |       |       |       |       |  diagonally!
> > > > +-------+-------+-------+-------+
> > > > The 'steins Copyright 1997-1998 Pete Casso. All rights reserved.
> 
> P            I lost, Holy Chairman Moo!
> e           I got other things to do!
> t          Holy cow!
> e         Ciao!
> C        /
> a    o.o
> s   ( - )     oo. ? Our Creator has become very odd ...
> s   (>:<)    (-  )
> o    ^ ^      " "

ROTFL .. You just lost ... LOL!!! 

 .oo  - Damn, what happend to him ... NursiStein!!! We need your help!
(  -)
 " "

-- 
_________/\_____________________     ...         ^_^     .    ()~()
Clemens 'Gullevek' Schwaighofer \_______ @_@ :::::~~~..����� //@ @\\
ICQ#: 9646646        I AM FROM AUSTRIA! \______________ *_* //\ ~ /\\
Sailor Moon Homepage: http://members.xoom.com/gullevek \_____________

Gerfried Fuchs <ger...@siemens.at> ASCII art 17 Aug 1998 00:00 · permalink · report
Pete Casso wrote:
> 
> Tic Tac Toe is trivial, but Tic Tac Stein is perhaps not so trivial!
> 
> +-------+-------+-------+-------+
> |       |       |       |       |  Tic Tac Stein is the same game
> |       |       |       |       |  as Tic Tac Toe, but using the
> |       |       |       |       |  4 x 4 board on the left.
> +-------+-------+-------+-------+
> |       |       |       |       |  The stones used in this game are:
> |       |       |       |       |
> |       |       |       |       |   .oo        _==_
> +-------+-------+-------+-------+  (  -)  and  ( ">
> |       |       |       |       |   " "
> |       |       |       |       |    |
> |       |       |       |       |    begins first.
> +-------+-------+-------+-------+
> |       |       |       |       |  You win, if you line up 3 stones
> |       |       |       |       |  horizontally, or vertically, or
> |       |       |       |       |  diagonally!
> +-------+-------+-------+-------+
> The 'steins Copyright 1997-1998 Pete Casso. All rights reserved.

 Now did you notice that this sort of game is quite funny for the first
time but gets annoying as you might notice with wise setting your first
FrogStein BirdStein has _no_ chance at all to win, not even for a draw
(unless the FrogStein player is a lousy dumba**  ;)).

 But nice idea anyway  ;)
Maybe you can try on that "4 times 4 times 4 - 4 wins" game? Although
the 3D-effect is a little tricky it shouldn't be that hard for an artist
like you  :)
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.----- On Sun, 16 Aug 1998 04:28:41 GMT, Pete Casso posted:
|
|(Is there perhaps an on-line version already in existence, albeit without
|using the 'steins as the playing stones?)
|
'----------------------

You can probably (ie I don`t know for sure) find a Tic-tac-toe game if you
look in the entertainment section of Yahoo under 'Web Games' (I think that`s
it) - I found a hangman game like that so I guess there`s a T-T-T game too.
|\/| _..__|_o._   /\_|_| o._  _   mart.atkins@--
|  |(_||  |_|| | /--\|_|<|| |_>            --bigfoot.com

Pete Casso (pet...@sympatico.ca) wrote:
: Tic Tac Toe is trivial, but Tic Tac Stein is perhaps not so trivial!
 [snip]
: |       |       |       |       |  Tic Tac Stein is the same game
: |       |       |       |       |  as Tic Tac Toe, but using the
: |       |       |       |       |  4 x 4 board on the left.
 [snip]
: |       |       |       |       |  You win, if you line up 3 stones
: |       |       |       |       |  horizontally, or vertically, or
: |       |       |       |       |  diagonally!

I hope you meant "line up 4 stones", since otherwise it's just as
trivial as on a 3x3 board. More trivial, in fact, as the first
player can always win in 5 turns by starting in one of the center
squares.

Not that 4-in-a-row would be much harder - an exhaustive search
can find an optimal strategy in no time.

-- 
Ilmari Karonen (ilt...@sci.fi)
http://www.sci.fi/~iltzu/

> I hope you meant "line up 4 stones", since otherwise it's just as
> trivial as on a 3x3 board. More trivial, in fact, as the first
> player can always win in 5 turns by starting in one of the center
> squares.
> 
> Not that 4-in-a-row would be much harder - an exhaustive search
> can find an optimal strategy in no time.

Agree. Do you know of an efficient routine that finds an optimal strategy
within, say, a second or so, even on a slow computer?

================================================================
[]                                                            []
[]   /(      )\     Visit the Gallery of the 'steins!         []
[]  ( ">    <" )   http://www3.sympatico.ca/petecasso/        []
[]   (> )><( <)   Woodpeckersteins dancing the boogie-woogie  []
[]     ^^  ^^                                                 []
================================================================

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